The Klinsmann Coaching Thread v.3 N&A Edition [R]

How does Bedoya play both sides at once? That's impressive

 

LOl I rate him but not quite that high, I was putting Johnson in front of Chandler.

 

I think Green will be just fine. He obviously has a lot to learn, and I don't think he seems ready now, but the kid has talent. He also seemed to have the confidence to try things. They didn't work too well, but I think his confidence is fine.

What worries me the most is the back line and it doesn't seem that I am alone. Considering that the back line was one of Klinsman's stated priorities from the beginning, it is definitely an indictment that he seems to be testing radically different and untried combinations at this late date. Scary is a good word for it.

As bad as the defense looked yesterday, it didn't help that the midfielders didn't help as much as they could have. There were several times when one or two Turkish players supporting the play had the freedom to cause havoc in the offensive 1/3.

 

Chandler did not look good in the Slovenia game.

Somebody just started saying it, and now it's becoming this meme.

For example:

OR

 

Thanks for posting this. I was also pretty sure that Chandler had a weak game at LB vs Slovenia. I recall some heated debates at the time about how he was partially at fault for at least one of the goals allowed due to some really poor positioning.

 

Yes, Wondo was unlucky. He nearly always buries those headers. It's important to note here that his second one required a very good save from the keeper. The first he should have done much better with, and he usually does.

 

fascinating blog post from doug mcintyre.
all quotes from players about all of the USMNT coaches.

http://www.espnfc.us/team/united-states/660/blog/post/1860276

 

Besler: "Jurgen knows what he's doing. He's been on a World Cup team that's won the World Cup." #USMNT

— Andy (@AndyEdMLS) June 3, 2014

and

Besler: "It's the most I've ever done (training and conditioning-wise). It's a heavy load." #USMNT

— Andy (@AndyEdMLS) June 3, 2014

 

"Diego Maradona knows what he's doing. He's been on a World Cup team that's won the World Cup"

"Alan Shearer knows what he's doing. He's been on a Premier League team that's won the Premier League"

"Clarence Seedorf knows what he's doing. He's been on four different European Cup champion teams"

 

I dont know many people who felt Maradona was a good manager at all. he managed few games for argentina and oversaw one of their worst qualifying runs ever in the modern format. argentina has been the top of the group almost every time since 1998 except in 2010...he lessened that team.

Jurgen top of the group in qualifying and we won the gold cup. Again this doesnt mean hes a great coach but it shows he knows what he is doing on some level.

Maradona never showed anyone he knew what he was doing. even when he was a player...and roid raging.

Alan Shearer managed like 8 games. He even admitted he didnt feel like immediately going into managing and was a surprise choice for newcastle to finish that season. he hasnt managed since.

Seedorf just started managing this year. its his 4th month of coaching. we dont know how good he can be.

Jurgen is entering his 7th year of coaching. I dont see any equivalence between these 4 people right now except a cheap shot that they have experience in high levels therefore they will succeed.

So far Jurgen has won a gold cup and been at the top of our group in WCQ. So the comparison to coaches who have dropped their managed teams levels makes no sense.

Now if you found a manager who just kept the team at the same level with no appreciable jump in productivity or quality then maybe you would have a point. But we wont know till the world cup.
We can revisit in a few weeks and you may be right. Unless we get to the semifinals there is no way Jurgen can have advanced the squad based on your metrics, if its going to be a "based on where we have been" sum game.

Alan has never been formally hired for a full year of coaching.
Seedorf has 4 months.
Maradona has 3 years and has no honors or wins in anything as a coach. In fact he had the worst WCQ experience for argentina ever. finished 4th. lowest ever in the modern format.

 

Are you suggesting he's trying to be Tony LaRussa to Green's Rick Ankiel? That is still one of the hardest things to watch I've ever seen. You literally could see a player breaking in front of your eyes. Brutal.

 

The 2nd header was anything but an easy chance as was being quoted here and on TV. He did exceptionally well to force a good save. The first header has got to be a goal when the real games begin.

 

Sounds like someone is going to wake up with a horse head in their bed.

Jack Woltz: You don't understand. Johnny Fontane never gets that movie. That part is perfect for him. It'll make him a big star. I'm gonna run him out of the movies. And let me tell you why. Johnny Fontane ruined one of Woltz International's most valuable proteges. For three years we had her under contract, singing lessons, dancing lessons, acting lessons. I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars. I was gonna make her a big star. And let me be even more frank, just to show you that I'm not a hard-hearted man, that it's not all dollars and cents. She was beautiful! She was young, she was innocent. She was the greatest piece of ass I've ever had, and I've had 'em all over the world. And then Johnny Fontaine comes along with his olive oil voice and guinea charm and she runs off. She threw it all away just to make me look ridiculous. And a man in my position can't afford to be made to look ridiculous. Now you get the hell out of here! And if that goomba tries any rough stuff, you tell him I ain't no bandleader. Yeah, I heard that story.

 

No joke. Every person/situation deserves to be judged on its own individual merits, but out of all the inanities that have been spouted, this idea that having been a great player makes one a great coach or executive is one for which there is almost no evidence to support.

What was Bob Cousy's record as a head coach? Wes Unseld's? Isaiah Thomas'? They were all rotten. Elgin Baylor Baylor was awful as GM of the Clippers. Michael Jordan thought Kwame Brown and Adam Morrison were going to be NBA All-Stars. Ted Williams and Frank Robinson as managers? No thanks. Wayne Gretsky flopped hard as a head coach.

I could write a much longer post speculating on why this this case, but that old cliche, 'Those who can't do, teach', which somehow became a knock on teachers, holds both truth and wisdom. In fact many of the best coaches and managers were marginal players. And it's not like this is limited to sports. Does Meryl Streep give acting classes? Did Pavorotti give voice lessons?

Klismannn deserves to be judged on his results. If he can achieve success, great. But citing his quality during his playing days as having relevance to whether he can select, organize and run a winning team... what little relevance it provides is not in his favor.

 

I posted this in another thread, but I can actually envision some of Julian's teammates in the Regionalligia watching the games on tv in someone's man cave together and rolling on the floor laughing. (straw men discussion may be forthcoming . . .).

And certainly, when I was 17 and a soccer player, I would have loved to be headed to the World Cup with a team.
This is all on JK.

 

My question is, is there a post anywere that states clearly JK is going to be great coach because he played in a WC. Besler made no untrue comments or implied JK was del Bosque or SAF. I have seen this argument tortted out nearly every single time anybody even so much as hints that JK might know what it takes to get to the World Cup.

Knowing what it takes for a player to get there and knowing what a team needs to do to get there as well as be succesful once there--- are not synonymous.

 

hes done both hasnt he???

 

Klinsi just needs to drop this about Donovan

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-soccer-coach-makes-blunt-144347143.html

Explaining it will only make it worse.

 

What would you expect a player on the team to say, " My coach sucks, he is another wash out ex player like a drug adled Maradona whose greatest claim to fame was cheating? Hand of god my arse?"

 

So Besler's statement that Klinsmann "...knows what he's doing. He's been on a World Cup team that won the World Cup" is only referring to 'knowing what it takes for a player to get there'? Not managing, not anything else. Maybe I should see the question that prompted the response, but I fail to see how Besler is not ascribing exactly the quality/ability to JK that you say is an argument no-one is making.

 

His interviewing skills in English are terrible. I cannot help but think that he is much more clear and concise in German.

 

There is a huge difference between claiming, as a prediction, that having that experience will translate to 'knowing what it takes for a player to get there', and a player who has been playing for such a person saying, as an observation, that that person "knows what he's doing because...".

Having been there is no guarantee you can transition that to coaching per se; but that doesn't make it wrong to point to that as one of his qualities when talking about how he has already coached players on the team. It also helps that JK has spent his post-player years staying physically fit, staying involved in soccer, and working like a horse, and not e.g. using cocaine and getting fat, then going back to soccer and coasting on his player reputation.

 

Matt Besler strikes me as a bit naïve. First we find out that he observes CR7 as a fan only when Mix asked him about it. Then we find him saying that to stop CR7 he's going to steal the ball because the dude is not a superhero. Now we have his tweets about Jurgen's playing days.

Maybe the dude does spend lots of time in the film room, has taken note of CR7's tendencies and is clever enough to not share any of that with the media. So he's either hopelessly naïve, or he's actually quite clever and acting naïve.

 

Yes, but he is better off not talking about ti until after the WC. Because it will be a discussion point afterwards anyway/

 

NYT article on klinsmann