Once again, more embarassing and violent behavior by some DCU "fans".

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  1. vladsta

    vladsta Member

    Jan 11, 2002
    and lot 8
     
  2. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    It was apparently the utter lack of any security in Lot 8 that likely allowed the incident there to go on as long as it did.
     
  3. vladsta

    vladsta Member

    Jan 11, 2002
    i don't know, i've seen police curisers after every game chasing people away from lot 8. i don't think it's reasonable or desirable to expect security to be everywhere all the time. instead, i'd rather see people who are witnessing this s*** step up and try to stop it. if they can't for whatever reason, go and get some help. venting out here is useful to some degree, but probably less efective.
     
  4. BBBulldog

    BBBulldog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2004
    Dinamo Zagreb
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    They're normally allways bumbling about, I think they were just scared of melting in the rain like wicked witch :)

    But unless dopes with bottles were in same shape as most of "security" folks then best they could do is chase them 50 yards before they had a heart attack and passed out.
     
  5. Well, I have been on a couple of SE trips to the Swamp where various incidents happened, like being jumped by a bunch of people when leaving the stadium one time, another time a Metros 'fan' decided to break the window of our bus with his bare hands. In fairness the ESC have encountered similar stuff at RFK in the past, too. I don't hold every Metros fan accountable for those incidents though, and I think some of this hand-wringing is a bit overdone.

    In terms of what could be done to avoid these situations, it is being a bit unrealistic to say that having 'better security' in Lot 8 is going to solve the problem. Lot 8 is a huge area. What if visiting supporters park in another parking lot ? Are you going to fill each and every parking lot with security every game on the off chance of something kicking off with away fans? Of course not.

    What might be more practical is encouraging visiting supporters groups to contact DC United directly before making a trip, and making arrangements for them to stand in a pre-assigned area so security can plan accordingly. After the game they should have a few security guys escort them to their bus/van. Its would be simple to implement, and would probably avoid 90% of the incidents that occur outside the stadium.
     
  6. Section106

    Section106 Member

    May 1, 2003
    Hampton,VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is a very good idea!
     
  7. United_Caps_Fan

    United_Caps_Fan New Member

    Apr 25, 2004
    Alexandria,VA 134/35
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Same things happend at Caps games my friend. Its utterly boring now compared to how loud and passionate it used to be. At least most of the time. Though it has gotten better somewhat. At least there really isnt the need to throw out 500 fans at a time anymore, or to call 10 ambulances to deal with injured people.
     
  8. United_Caps_Fan

    United_Caps_Fan New Member

    Apr 25, 2004
    Alexandria,VA 134/35
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Yep. They are too busy "watching over" the rowdy bunch that isnt going to hurt anyone, while the real dangers are free to do almost whatever they like in the rest of the stadium.
     
  9. United_Caps_Fan

    United_Caps_Fan New Member

    Apr 25, 2004
    Alexandria,VA 134/35
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think AndyMead said it best. You apparently missed the call on your CLUE phone. ;)
     
  10. United_Caps_Fan

    United_Caps_Fan New Member

    Apr 25, 2004
    Alexandria,VA 134/35
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    WOnderful Idea. Ive thought about similar things as well, and im sure more have.

    So one has to wonder, why exactly the people who are getting PAID to think about these things, are just not doing it? Oh wait... i forgot, its CSC.


    Is there ANY WAY at all to make a big enough stink to really actually expose CSC and DCSEC for the frauds and fakes they really are? They obviously do not do thier jobs, we all witness it every game, so what it boils down to is that they are getting paid to stand there and watch a game. It just so incredibly silly, stupid, and irritating it makes my head swim and my blood boil sometimes.
     
  11. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
    Good ideas have no place on Big Soccer :)

    Pos rep all around for thinking.

    Thx,

    Jay!
     
  12. Dave Brother

    Dave Brother New Member

    Jun 10, 2001
    Alexandria
    I was there and missed the punch thrown, but witnessed everything that happened afterwords. CSC is a joke. I tried to get them to get MPD and some medical help for the guy that was assulted, which they did neither.

    The story is too long to rehash at this point, but Rob had a point that I should write everything down and he'd give it to Mr Zakk.

    Rob, if you still think it'll do any good, I'll do it and email it to you. I remember all CSC id numbers and faces of those that refused to identify themselves. I'm also gonna PM Magpie and let him know what I saw.
     
  13. The Magpie

    The Magpie Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Cambridge, MA
    Just a quick FYI, but the Revolution supporters' rental van that was pelted with bottles thrown by a number of United "fans" caused damage to the tune of $800, and could go higher. I understand legal proceedings may now be initiated to fight this.

    The Magpie
     
  14. The Magpie

    The Magpie Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Cambridge, MA
    "I think it's a good idea that everyone who witnessed this write a letter to KP, DC, and to CSC. I know many believe it wont do much, but at least it's on record."

    If anyone who is willing to do this can, and can provide a copy to include with the complaint that will be filed by the Midnight Riders, please PM me.

    Thank you,

    The Magpie
     
  15. Sundevil9

    Sundevil9 Member

    Nov 23, 1999
    Reston, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What happened this past weekend is obviously a horrible incident caused by a couple of morons. Thankfully, our NE friends made it home OK.

    Now we've got people raising complaints left and right about it. But do we really need the knee-jerk reaction that is sure to follow? Does anybody remember the last time a chorus of complaints were raised about seat-hopping? CSC in their wisdom, reacted to United's call for more enforcement by putting up barricades into the seating area. It cut down on seat hopping, alright. And all we had to pay for it was a little inconvenience, and one McOwen broken leg.

    The trick to rectifying the situation is for United to get CSC to just do their job as described now. Adding new policies won't matter. The people who don't do thier jobs now, won't when their job becomes more complicated. And adding a new layer of 'security' is more than likely just going to cost us another broken leg.

    I'm not saying that folks should stand by and boldly do nothing. I would just like to see similar situations prevented without the addition of foolish policies.
     
  16. United_Caps_Fan

    United_Caps_Fan New Member

    Apr 25, 2004
    Alexandria,VA 134/35
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Ok, FWIW, I have been in relatively close contact with BrianZappa on here, and have exchanged all my contact information with him. I have also stated that I am absolutely willing to provide any statements, accounts, letters necessary to the police or any other organisation that may require or wish for it, as someone who witnessed the entire event, and saw the damage to the van as it occured, and saw the men who did it. My goal here is to do whatever I can personally to help make things right, and to help these people in any way that I can.

    Someone brought up something I had thought about on the Revs boards, and that was maybe we as a soccer fan community could all pitch in a some cash here and help these people who are more than likely going to have to pay for the damage to thier rental van by our "supposed fans". I think its the least we can do to help right a wrong here. I think it would go a long way too in showing that we, as a community of fans can and will take care of business, and in the end, one another,a nd will not allow idiotic wankers like the ones that did this come into our venues and ruin things for all of us, and cause bad feelings and bad reputations to continue to be perpetuated.
     
  17. Section106

    Section106 Member

    May 1, 2003
    Hampton,VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If a fund is created please PM me and I'll contribute.
     
  18. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Ditto.
     
  19. SirFozzie

    SirFozzie Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 17, 2001
    Franklin, MA
    Not completely. Ok doesn't include a leg brace and crutches (sustained on those damm slippery small stepst rying to get out of the way of all the punches and trying to keep our guys from escalating the crap..) and a trip to the emergency room. (Thankfully, it's only a ligament strain, not a tear)

    Props to DC United's true fans, the ones who took every oppoprtunity to show real class.. both in cheering (huge noise there, gave us some ideas on how to liven up the Mausolem known as Gilette) Props to the guys who explained to security what happened, and that prevented the drunken idiots from starting something EARLIER in the day..

    But it's a shame that a very small minority of.. "fans" (won't sully the good name of supporters or even true fans) ruined the experience. I won't be back at RFK. CSC may be just event staff, but they need to work faster in responding to/escalating problems.. you could see this one coming.. and the attack on the van in the parking lot.. just totally classless. Hope whoever did it gets caught.
     
  20. Fiero20

    Fiero20 Member

    Aug 3, 2002
    Gillette Stadium
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Just a wee bit edited in the interest of the greater good - MFC

    i will never go to dc ever again. very few people there have respect or class for faithful and loyal traveling fans of opposing teams. i have now lost all respect for almost everyone in DC, minus the few that came to help the situation.
     
  21. United_Caps_Fan

    United_Caps_Fan New Member

    Apr 25, 2004
    Alexandria,VA 134/35
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Look, most of us here find what happend deplorable. I witnessed the ********, which is why I brought it here, to be discussed. I dont agree with the poster you are quoting because it DOES need to be talked about and paid a fair amount of attention to. However I certainly dont agree with you either. It was a big deal because it happend at a DCU game. FAR worse things happen in ALL major cities every day. So you are going to come here and tell us that you have lost respect for almost all of the 5 point some odd MILLION people that live here over this? Please. Ive been attacked in Annapolis MD, Vancouver, BC, and Philadelphia, and I certainly dont hold "almost everyone" in thier cities in contempt because of it. Give us all a break will ya?

    A wee bit edited in the interest of the greater good - MFC


    So please, now tell me who is looking like the real tool here.
     
  22. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Takoma Park, MD
    United_Caps_Fan, did you get a good look at the bottle throwers?

    If so, I think you should contact the cops if you see them at the next home game (which isn't until September 11th, right?).

    Did anyone file an official police report with MPD, especially since damage was done to the rental van?

    Oh, and if there is a fund to pay for damages to the van, I'll pitch in as well.
     
  23. The Magpie

    The Magpie Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Cambridge, MA
    United_Caps_Fan,

    Fiero20 was the one who got assaulted at the match, simply for showing his support for the team he loves, which was just one of many unfortunate incidents that took place on Saturday evening. Maybe his tone is a bit harsh, but isn't at all unexpected considering what happened, so you might consider that and cut him a little slack.

    If you want to call him a "tool" for being rightfully pissed about the experience, then so be it.

    The Magpie
     
  24. BBBulldog

    BBBulldog Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2004
    Dinamo Zagreb
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Edited in the interest of the greater good - MFC
     

  25. I am glad that no-one was hurt and yet very ashamed by being a DC United fan that is now being assosiacted and tarnished by a group of a-holes that don't realize that this is nothing but a game. I see players from oposing teams go and hug each other after the match and when different countries (who might be at conflict) play they even exchange shirts. I don't see how supporting your team includes harrasing and fighting with other fans. Yelling for your team and singing degrading songs about the referee and other fans is one thing (even giving a finger now and then) however trying to hurt someone is completely different. On the field you would get a red card and a fine - I would like to find these a-holes and do the same.

    One again - as a DC United supporter I would like to appoligize to any Revs fans for the behavior of a few. Hope to see you at the next DC-Revs game. (I'll be the one giving you the finger yet also handing you my handshake)

    -The Far Side
     

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