FSL-Colorado, 5/17 7:30PM MST

Discussion in 'Colorado Rapids' started by ~F8~, May 14, 2014.

  1. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    Yes, but are they among the players just kicking the long ball.
     
  2. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    #202 rslfanboy, May 18, 2014
    Last edited: May 18, 2014
    It was a beautiful day, perfect weather, and not a lot of shit in the air this time. We were pouring some 3.2 mimosas! I wish they'd play reserve games on sunday afternoons/mid-mornings more often.

    Colorado reserves were very loud. Lots of communication. It almost seemed odd juxtaposed with RSL's calmness. I think it has to do with the fact that RSL has an established system whereas Colorado was really struggling to find any rhythm at all. I didn't see a whole lot of positives out of Colorado's reserve players today. And, yes, Elondou does live. But nobody noticed him anyway....

    I've also seen a lot of anger expressed at the team, some of it going Pablo's way. I don't think you can really get too mad at him for the current state of affairs. He hasn't had much of a chance to do anything or bring in the players he'd like (if he's even had a chance to really scout since taking over early March).

    EDIT: PK was bullshit and Javi dove indeed.
     
  3. COYP

    COYP Member

    Aug 5, 2010
    Denver
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry but that excuse doesn't fly with me. Pablo doesn't scout, Bravo does. The Rapids allegedly have been implementing a system and a new style (from the academy to the first team) ever since Gary Smith left. That system shouldn't change drastically from coach to coach and neither should the players they need to implement it. We've already been through one complete rebuild. It is difficult to see any system to this teams offense at the moment.
     
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  4. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Is that Pablo's fault?
     
  5. COYP

    COYP Member

    Aug 5, 2010
    Denver
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, not necessarily but I don't think Pablo bringing in his players is the answer. I judge Pablo from tactics and lineups etc. I think he has been ok but deserves some criticism. The only thing Pablo should be evaluated on with players is either getting the most out of them or not having a good relationship with them and not getting the most out of them.
     
  6. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, but Pablo leaving top player out of the lineup (O'Neill last night, many many players against Chivas the week before) is. I posted earlier in the thread, but IMO there are 9 clear starters on the team right now, they should be starting every game they can (last night 7 of them started, but Jose Mari was a late scratch due to flu).
     
  7. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    #207 rslfanboy, May 18, 2014
    Last edited: May 18, 2014
    Kreis sucked his first year.

    EDIT: Doesn't mean Pablo will turn out great, but he's going to make mistakes for a while until he figures it out a bit better.
     
  8. cwilke1

    cwilke1 Member

    Sep 1, 2006
    Glen Cove
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sandoval was the player who fell down to draw the PK. Javier Morales took the PK and made it.
     
  9. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Yeah, I was talking about 2 separate incidents.
     
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  10. jayd8888

    jayd8888 Member+

    Aug 22, 2006
    Denver CO
    The rapids can't continue to play this way and make the playoffs there's no way both of those things can happen.
     
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  11. IndyRapids04

    IndyRapids04 Member

    May 20, 2013
    Indianapolis
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the flack that both Sturgis and Klute are getting at this point is unjust. Neither has been given consistent minutes they've both just been thrown into the lineup one game and not in it the next. I know that players need to be able to step up when they come in and I don't necessarily think either has done terribly but if we want to see the Sturgis and Klute of last year they need to play constantly and get a rhythm and some chemistry on the field; the change in formation also may be a factor in this I really liked the 4-2-3-1 and thought we played it well. I do agree with LaBrocca at this point, he's probably the one player with the most consistent minutes other than maybe moor and Irwin, and I thought he was solid early on in the season but he's been poor here lately.

    I honestly don't think he is on his way out. I don't think the rapids plan on shopping him, although I wish we would, we could get a much needed player but I thought he was gone mid way last season and he's still here and I bet you he's back next year unless he goes in the expansion draft.
     
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  12. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Centennial
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is curious as it begs many questions.

    Is Bravo the right guy? Is Pablo the right guy? Is the approach really the correct one? Does the lofty language of, "style from academy to first team" actually mean anything? Do we have the right players? If we don't is that Bravo's or Pablo's issue? Is this a situation where a coach has the freedom to be effective? Or, is Pablo - the last minute coach signing - setup to fail?

    I guess, if "the system shouldn't change from coach to coach", then I'd expect the search for the coach to implement the system would reflect that goal(?).

    What I see instead is a team that couldn't get its act together for a coaching search, settled on a Rapids legend in an appeal to loyalty and the reality that time was out, and is now caught trying to sort out what kind of mess they have.

    I'm not sure I fault Pablo for the current situation. I can't say that it's appears that he's been setup for success.
     
  13. BigBrasky

    BigBrasky Member

    Jan 28, 2013
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    What's up with Van De Casteele? Wasn't in the 18 and didn't travel or play with the reserves or anything. I have heard next to nothing about him...
     
  14. IndyRapids04

    IndyRapids04 Member

    May 20, 2013
    Indianapolis
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Concussion suffered in practice I believe not sure how long ago though
     
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  15. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, he was listed as out n the injury report.
     
  16. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well even after waiting all this time to post, I still have a bad taste in mouth and Rapids seem firmly on a down slope. I just don't think they will turn it around before WC break and looks to me (based on these bizarro stories on going to train/ fitness with his national team) like Torres has played his last game for Rapids.
     
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  17. GoRapids

    GoRapids Member

    Sep 1, 1999
    Boulder CO
    Was told before the game when I questioned why O'Neil wasn't playing that he's very badly banged up and needed a rest.
     
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  18. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was pointed out that Panama does have a friendly against Serbia in Chicago on May 31st, so that's why Torres is heading to Panama. It appears the "train/fitness" program is actually happening here in Colorado after his National Team duties.
     
  19. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    Huh. Then why did they start him in the reserve match?
     
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  20. xingyiz

    xingyiz Member

    Mar 26, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Continuing with this logic, if Torres has muscle issues that could present some type of injury why would he be allowed to play in a Panama friendly. The Rapids need a better PR guy.
     
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  21. GoRapids

    GoRapids Member

    Sep 1, 1999
    Boulder CO
    Very good question - I may have been fed a line.

    His little bro was playing ... maybe he was there to protect him :)
     
  22. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Rapids? Feed a supporter a line? Never! :D
     
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  23. GoRapids

    GoRapids Member

    Sep 1, 1999
    Boulder CO
    I guess "feed" was the wrong word ... cuz I just asked and it wasn't an expected question. So that was the answer I was given. Anyway - that's what I was told and since reserve games are dangerous by nature - seems off.
     
  24. Ihaveabeard

    Ihaveabeard Member

    Nov 14, 2013
    Club:
    Norwich City FC
    Granted it's only been a few games into the season but the team looks lost no creativty just counter's and long balls praying for the best.

    I think it's time they start to head to europe in the offseason and start playing with aresnal the entire offseason no break.
     
  25. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, because what players need is 21 months straight of soccer with no break. And I'm sure Arsenal can fit that into their schedule. :rolleyes:
     

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