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How so? Do you really think that modern Russian was ever spoken before the unification of Eastern Ukraine and Russian Empire? That language, spoken in Kyiv in Kyivan Rus times was actually closer to today's Ukrainian. And today's Russian is nothing but a bastardization of that language by Mongolian and Bashkir/Volga Bulgar influences.

 

None of those wars are "European" - they followed the general breakup of empires caused by the First World War. Those weren't European crises - Europe generally ignored them.

That's just not true. Ukraine's lebensraum was an integral part of Hitler's planning, but he'd have attacking the Soviet Union even if Ukraine had been a wasteland.

It's just not. Until the Crimean crisis, it was a total sideshow. Europe had spent vastly more time on Kosovo until now(!!).

 

Uh huh. And where did the Russian language come from in the first place?

 

So it was a carefully curated anti-semitism, yes. I do enjoy how stupid the Russian authorities thought Russians were.

 

What is a European crises then? Are you carefully removing those just to fit some strange criteria of yours? The Poland - Red Army war was the largest international conflict in 1918-1938. It was bigger than even Italian occupation of Ethiopia.

Really? You must be forgetting what sentiment had led to the german march to the East - Reich considered itself the successor of the various Gothic polities in the Ukraine in the 2nd-4th centuries AD. THAT was the prize (and that is a fact, present in every fuhrer and Goebbels speech on the subject). Had Ukraine been a wasteland, Germany might not even have attacked USSR (who knows).

Circular logic - before the crisis it wasn't a crisis!

 

Russian language is a product of a deliberate (and not so deliberate at times) evolution that every language undergoes. According to current linguistic theories, a language only exists for 500-800 years after which it either disappears or evolves into something barely recognizable (unless it becomes an ecclesiastic language, which Russian wasn't), as any reader of early and middle English will tell you.

Analysis of much of the medieval writing done in the various principalities of Kyivan Rus of 11th-12th centuries, the languages spoken by populations in Kyiv, Novogorod, and Ponizye (Suzdal, Rostov, Vladimir-na-Klyasme) were significantly different. They were different then. So, that proves that Russian language had played no role in Ukrainian history until the unification in late 17th century and even then, only in the Eastern half of Ukraine.

 

But none of the European powers reacted. They let Poland hold back the tide and ignored it.

WTF? Hitler's anti-communist stance was very open, and he also needed access to oilfields further southeast. There was no question the Molotv-Ribbentrop pact was a temporary respite ahead of the war. There's so much historical literature to back this up
As for the Gothic "polities" in Ukraine, wtf? The Germans drew most of their ethos from Germanic groups (Goths aren't Germanic); thus the references to Teutons, for example, not Goths.

No. Until Putin intervened militarily, the West was completely ignoring the situation. Putin had been monkeying around with Ukraine for half a decade now. What did the west do when the taps were turned off a few years ago? Or when Putin was basically bribing Yanukovich with cheap loans?

This is pretty funny - on one thread I'm being accused of being a Ukranian nationalist, on the other I'm unfairly minimizing Ukraine's importance. LOL

 

That's not what I asked. I personally couldn't care less as to how the Russian language affected eastern Ukraine.

 

Seriously, put down the crack pipe.

 

Is this a serious question or have you finally gone full retard?

 

That and the the large influx of mentally retard inbred Jewish children wasn't an attractive proposition.

 

Lol, because of the cost to the Russian social safety net. They'd have been smarter than the average Russian anyway.

 

nice, why do you hate us so? I've never heard any of my relatives say anything anti-semitic. Where does this vicious bitterness come from? *sips coffee*

 

Also untrue. France and UK took a very significant interest in the Polish-Soviet war. In fact, French generals were sent to Polish military headquarters to help manufacture that which we know as Miracle on Wisla. Tens of thousands of various arms and cannons were sent by both France and UK to support the Poles. The Kurzon line came out of this conflict and Antanta took a very strong interest in demarkating the results of the war.

Hitler's consideration of Slavs as subhumans and incapable of state-building is also well known. That, "March to the East", and Lebensraum, aside from a myriad of history books, appeared in Main Kampf. NAZI believed in German fate to control the lands in the East and every subtext was going to be used to advance it.

What??? Goths are not Germanic? You must be confusing them with someone. Goths were an East Germanic tribe. Other East Germanic peoples were Bastarnae, Burgundians, Heruli, Rugians, Scirii, Silingi, Vandali.
Goths themselves are comprised of Ostrogoths, Gepids, Greuthungi, Visigoths, Thervingi, etc.

And, while Teutons are, undoubtedly, Germanic, they were pretty much gone by the time of the great Barbarian Migrations, which propelled Goths and other East Germanic peoples into the lands of the Roman Empire.

First off, the West wasn't ignoring the situation. There was just nothing to react to. West were not prescient, sure. But the minute Putin began his Crimean adventure, the West reacted. West also reacted (perhaps not as forcefully as we would like) during both gas delivery controversies between Ukraine and Russia. Ultimately, Russia did not succeed in both undertakings and neither did Ukraine. And are you forgetting how the West reacted during the Orange Revolution?

Eh...

 

Hadn't your Mom and Dad told you not to speak on subjects that you are clearly ignorant in?

 

You have some balls spewing downright misinformation then calling others ignorant.

 

Before you can accuse someone of "spewing misinformation", you should state your thesis and your sources.

 

I'm sorry but I won't bother to respond to (anyone with even an intermediate understanding of Russia would die laughing at that statement things like "Russian is bastardized Ukrainian with Mongolian influence". lol how stupid can a comment get.

 

THIS was the statement you're referring to: "That language, spoken in Kyiv in Kyivan Rus times was actually closer to today's Ukrainian. And today's Russian is nothing but a bastardization of that language by Mongolian and Bashkir/Volga Bulgar influences"

How stupid can someone look when they can't read and comprehend what others have said!

 

Why is this so surprising? Pushilin himself admitted that 30% of the militia were volunteers from outside of Ukraine. I'm sure there is help from Russian special forces, but outside of that what type of Russians do you think would actually go into Ukraine? Those forces would be comprised mostly of Russian nationalists. Hence the Romanov flag mentioned. So you're likely looking at support from Pamyat and Russian National Unity... see if you can find anything telling from their symbols.

 

Your statement is absolute hogwash crap, stop trying to nit pick one word to cover it up.


Happy Victory Day to everyone even though I doubt any of you had relatives who served.

 

Hey yasik weren't you and the other prodatili raving about some impending pogrom? Or were you lot predicting the murder of over a dozen pro-Russian demonstrators?