Altidore (on bench) - Sunderland v Cardiff (4/27)

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad Gameday' started by afgrijselijkheid, Apr 27, 2014.

  1. Thomas A Fina

    Thomas A Fina Member

    Mar 29, 1999
    Hell
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bridcutt in

    Is that all 3?
     
  2. GreatGonzo

    GreatGonzo Member+

    Jul 1, 1999
    MA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Wickham scores again, 4-0.
     
  3. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Yep. Giaccherini x Larsson was the 1st, plus two more, it's three.

    And since I only watch these dire teams to see Jozy, that's it for me. Bye all.
     
  4. Thomas A Fina

    Thomas A Fina Member

    Mar 29, 1999
    Hell
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    4. It's Wickh attacking a set piece again
     
  5. Bigrose30

    Bigrose30 Member+

    Sep 11, 2004
    Jersey City, NJ
    DOGSO and advantage are not compatible in my opinion. I think the rules should be changed as such.
     
  6. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know he let it go too long based on what refs generally do, but I'd much rather see refs change to call it the way he did.
     
  7. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Is there clear enough for you:

    https://twitter.com/PaulSarahs/status/460385775524147200/photo/1
     
  8. Bigrose30

    Bigrose30 Member+

    Sep 11, 2004
    Jersey City, NJ
    So he got that part right it seems.

    Still think he shouldn't be allowed the latitude to play advantage on a such a potential game altering call, and I imagine the rule makers will eventually agree.
     
  9. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why not? I'd much much rather see teams play than watch penalties. Same goes for any type of attacking play where teams keep advantage. The question of DOGSO and advantage though is an interesting one. I don't think I've ever seen advantage played on a red card offense although I'm sure it has happened. I assume he would have given a red even if the goal went in from the run of play, but perhaps not.
     
  10. GreatGonzo

    GreatGonzo Member+

    Jul 1, 1999
    MA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Again, if Dowd blows his whistle for the foul right as Wickham manages to get around the keeper and pass it into an empty net, you'd be hollering at him for blowing the whistle too early. The rule is fine as is.
     
  11. Bigrose30

    Bigrose30 Member+

    Sep 11, 2004
    Jersey City, NJ
    If he's about to round the keeper, then how was there a DOSGO?

    A red and penalty for DOGSO is frequently criticized for being too punitive without bringing advantage into the discussion.

    I don't even have an issue with the referee playing advantage and then pulling it back for a penalty. I do have an issue with the referee allowing the play to continue to see if there is a goal scoring opportunity, then sending off a player for denial of goal scoring opportunity.

    I think there will be serious consideration to this rule, as I believe there was before this incident.
     
  12. Bigrose30

    Bigrose30 Member+

    Sep 11, 2004
    Jersey City, NJ
  13. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    boulder
    On a positive, i did see jozy smiling and laughing with his teammates on the bench. Was worried he would be sulking.
     
  14. Bigrose30

    Bigrose30 Member+

    Sep 11, 2004
    Jersey City, NJ
    I had press credentials for the Red Bulls back when Jozy played there. As a 19 year kid, he was more polite, considerate, thoughtful and mature then 30 year olds I know, win or loss.

    All of the garbage about how mentally weak Jozy is, or how he is a sulking malcontent in the main thread is nonsense.
     
  15. Bigrose30

    Bigrose30 Member+

    Sep 11, 2004
    Jersey City, NJ
    Was it Dowd or Webb? I don't know the difference by sight honestly.
     
  16. GreatGonzo

    GreatGonzo Member+

    Jul 1, 1999
    MA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    That's the point. If Dowd calls the foul too early for DOGSO based on the tug and doesn't allow advantage, he might be preventing a goal from being scored. Since Wickham fought through the foul, Dowd needs to let play go to see if the opportunity can still be realized. It wasn't realized and the opportunity pretty much vanished due to the foul, so Cala needed to be sent off.

    Wait, you have a problem with playing advantage to see if the goal-scoring opportunity still exists and then sending off the player after it's clear the goal-scoring opportunity no longer exists due to the foul? That makes absolutely no sense.

    This incident has nothing to do with the issues that some people have with the rule, which is, as you said, the red + penalty + suspension being too harsh. Playing advantage has nothing to do with that.
     
  17. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    In the states you don't need to "see if there was DOGS" it's all about direction, distance, defender at the moment of the foul. If the player has direction, is in goal scoring distance and has no defenders, it's dogs. There are a lot of really bad drawing in the USSF advice to illustrate. The delay is simply to make sure, like in the Jozy/Arse goal, you don't pull back a goal to give a PK and red card.
     
  18. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    The law is "one defender" not including the fouling defender. If that defender is the keeper it is still dogs.
     
  19. HouseHead78

    HouseHead78 Member+

    Oct 17, 2006
    Austin, TX
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In hindsight, and given the content of the thread over the last few posts, this made me LOL.
     
  20. afgrijselijkheid

    Dec 29, 2002
    mokum
    Club:
    AFC Ajax

    Thankyouverymuch! Please tip your waitress!
     
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  21. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not getting upset about the call one way or the other, but I think its an interesting reffing question.
     
  22. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What does been polite 4 years ago has to do with his current state of mind due to playing issues? If I used to be starter and not anymore I wouldn't be joking with teammates on the bench.
     
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  23. Bigrose30

    Bigrose30 Member+

    Sep 11, 2004
    Jersey City, NJ
    I think he's mature and level-headed. It's been insinuated otherwise on the main thread.
     
  24. Bigrose30

    Bigrose30 Member+

    Sep 11, 2004
    Jersey City, NJ
    Yes. I have a problem with it.

    The consequences of DOGSO calls are severe. A straight red and often a penalty as well. The foul should be one that completely ends the play and denies the goal scoring opportunity. If the player still has a chance on goal, I would argue that the foul was not DOGSO worthy (edit: the referee could be allowed discretion here, but I think a rule requiring the referee to stop play immediately for DOGSO would clarify things tremendously for the referee).

    I understand that's not the rule. I think it should be.

    For the record, I think your point of view makes sense, but I disagree.
     
  25. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree. Jozy seems like a sweet guy, which is terrific, but not in my personal top 10 list of traits I like to see in NT strikers. More so than being just a bad player, he comes off as soft, which no one likes. His Eeyore-like Twitter posts and his cloying interactions with teammates that seem to have no regard for him aren't helping matters.
     

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