German National Team News & Discussion Thread - EURO 2012 & Beyond [R] II

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Hendrik, Dec 31, 2012.

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  1. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Depends on the manner of the defeat, whether or not it stemmed from tactical flaws within the system. And I find it tremendously premature to discuss the tactical implications of a hypothetical defeat that hasn't happened yet.
     
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  2. timh19

    timh19 Member+

    Jul 26, 2011
    Jose Mourinho revels in Andre Schurrle’s cold-bloodedness

    I wonder how much Mourinho can improve Schuerrle in the coming years. What do you guys think ? His off-the-ball movement on the counter attack is very often top class. When he doesn't have space he struggles but he is not in his prime yet. He is in good hands with Mourinho IMHO. His dribbles against Steaua were Hazard-esque but he isn't showing that very often. He needs to dribble consistently well against all kinds of teams ( not only against rubbish teams). He needs more strength and more confidence(Mou is a good motivator).
     
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  3. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Wonder who Mou would bet his money on to win the WC.
     
  4. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The player that Shurrle most resembles in style to me is Robben. I'm not saying that he will ever attain Robben's level, but they both played in similar ways at that age.
     
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  5. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    As to the debate of whether or not Schweinsteiger can function in a holding role in midfield; we need to give him more time. He is not match fit yet after a very long time out with injury. It's possible that Pep is using a double pivot right now to protect him while he is rounding into fitness and adapting to the new system. I think we need to see how he looks on this position, and whether or not Pep moves back to the single holder, once his fitness returns.
     
  6. Fussballer

    Fussballer Member+

    Liverpool FC
    Sep 18, 2002
    In my head
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    One good match against a regulation side doesn't make the player. Shuerrle has been, for the most part, pretty average at Chel$ki when he plays as Jose doesn't play him that often. Think the move to Chel$ki has hurt his career more than helped it. Should've went to BvB or stayed put at Bayer.
     
  7. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It's not so much that he's been average but more about how he's used. He's part of Mourinho's heavy rotation policy which will cut down a significant amount of consistent playing time. He's in and out and used for specific matches when Chelsea play more counter-attacking but we can't also forget the transition the club is in so it will be a while before we see his true value and I hope Mourinho will transform him. Mourinho had a great impact on Khedira and Özil so let's hope it repeats itself.
     
  8. Goetzil10

    Goetzil10 Member

    Real Madrid
    Germany
    Jul 1, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    How do you guys see Ozil fitting in a 4-1-4-1?
     
  9. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    To be frank I don't.
     
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  10. P to the Wee

    P to the Wee Red Card

    Nov 22, 2011
    Susan is a Little Lamb
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I could see him on the wing or maybe as the F9 but I think that's where Götze will be.
     
  11. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The only place he would fit is false 9. We just can't afford to have him in midfield without 2 holding players covering for him.
     
  12. Goetzil10

    Goetzil10 Member

    Real Madrid
    Germany
    Jul 1, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I don't either. Wonder if Mesut's spot in the National Team really is under pressure.
     
  13. Goetzil10

    Goetzil10 Member

    Real Madrid
    Germany
    Jul 1, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Gotze is more comfortable in both of those positions that's for sure.
     
  14. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I don't think his place in the team is under threat. Loew has never given any indication that it was. He's having some trouble adapting the the BPL, but that doesn't mean he isn't a class player. Klose consistently performed and started for the NT even while riding the bench at Bayern.
     
  15. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think a lot will depend on how flexible and knowledgable Löw is in how he will fit the players into the team. We've always known our attackers were talented and smart enough to play interchanging and "loose" positions but Özil was in a unique position in that he too quickly was made THE player for Germany because of the lack of creative talent around 2009/2010. And because he is so adept he was made the focus for Madrid and became the "service" player which you can argue somewhat derailed his progress and why there's a perception of him being nothing more than a classic playmaker, which has some truth to it but it's more complicated than that because we know from his youth days he spent a great deal of time scoring goals and playing out wide, etc.

    I made the argument previously that if he does progress as a player it will depend first on how the manager can see a new Özil, so that's Wenger primarily because on his own, Özil will just do what he feels natural doing and while he will work very hard at it, he will continue to be above everyone else around him in the way he perceives space and creates chances, etc that it will be hard to find a perfect balance. My belief is always that the system makes the player and serves as the platform to get the best out of a given player so similarly, it will only be systematically that could unearth something new from Özil even if it means him having to take a few steps back and not be THE go-to guy. I don't know what that will look like. In one sense you could see him as a player who would drop deeper and be that transitional player but of course that would mean taking everything he does in the final third and redistributing that to the rest of our guys like Reus, Götze and Müller. Again, that's on Löw so the question is not so much does Özil fit in - I think he very much does and could fit into any given system but what are the conditions that will allow him to do so and will the manager make the right choices?

    It's entirely possible that he will become a player who could get subbed out around the 70th minute or so but his position in the team will likely never be in real doubt as long as he remains fit.
     
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  16. timh19

    timh19 Member+

    Jul 26, 2011
  17. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Looks like this is the lineup:

    --------------------Neuer
    --KG--Mertesacker-Boateng-Schmelzer
    --------------------Lahm
    --Goetze---Kroos---Schweini--Schuerrle
    --------------------Klose

    *Mueller and Reus are both being rested

    *Klose has picked up a slight injury and missed training yesterday. Lasogga can be the replacement. Another option is to start Sam at RW and move Goetze up top. Klose isn't very reliable/durable these days

    *Lars Bender is sent back to Leverkusen as he has picked up an injury







    I am not sure about Oezil. He isn't very good at defending and with just Lahm (who lacks size) behind him, are we gonna win the midfield battle especially on the defensive end?

    If Oezil is one of the three midfielders in the middle, with Kroos isn't a defensive oriented midfielder, will give Lahm(undersized) too much pressure and apparently we have zero aerial ability in that midfield setup

    I think Oezil is an option at LW. But still, he has to compete with Reus and Schuerrle who are more lethal n able to compromise our severe lack of clinical finishing, lethality and diversity in scoring better than Oezil.

    As False 9? I don't know, he hasn't played there and we don't seem to have the right players to complement his weaknesses. He ALWAYS caught lost inside the box and at bad positions. His positioning as a frontman is skeptical.


    In the past, even when Reus was a false 9, he had someone like Hanke to complement him and cover up his weaknesses; Goetze had Lewandowski, Robben/Ribery or Klose to cover him when he is used as false 9. The German NT need someone to cover up Oezil's weaknesses in lack of back-to-goal, aerial ability, positioning, killer instinct and hold-up ability. Klose is needed to make Oezil effective in the interchange. Goetzil, Reus, Kroos cannot complement Oezil's weaknesses. Or someone like Lasogga who is still a big question mark

    Maybe:

    ---Mueller--Schweini----Kroos---Oezil
    ----------------------Klose
     
  18. Neutral2

    Neutral2 Member

    Apr 30, 2006
    Germany
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Kicker.de predicts following lineup for the Chile friendly:

    Neuer

    Großkreutz Mertesacker Boateng Schmelzer

    Lahm Schweinsteiger

    Götze Özil Schürrle

    Klose​
     
  19. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Expected line-up really. Want Klose only to get one half though. He won't. Löw will push him.
     
  20. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Klose is unable to play two games in a row..
     
  21. heynckes' hanging leftnut

    Feb 27, 2013
    EPL. "BPL" is what Uli Hoeness calls the bundesliga these days.
     
  22. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I can't imagine taking Klose to the WC and starting him.
     
  23. Fussballer

    Fussballer Member+

    Liverpool FC
    Sep 18, 2002
    In my head
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Gomez being rested too?
     
  24. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Gomez wasn't nominated
     
  25. Edhardy

    Edhardy Member+

    Sep 4, 2013
    Nairobi, Kenya
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Ozil these days reminds me abit of Kaka in that they are so excellent playing a particular role and position but any change in that role diminishes their perfomance. Ozil is still fairly young though, and at Bremen you could see he was versatile. If Germany adopted that 4-1-4-1 then in terms of compatibility he would be only a realistic contender for the RW and CF (as a free roaming striker). At LW, Reus, Draxler, Schurrle and Gotze are better. At RW, Muller is superior and in the two centre mid spots guys like Kroos, Schweini, Gundogan are ahead of him. Him and Gotze could share the false 9 spot with Gotze finding minutes elsewhere too..
     

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