The Treble in Concacaf Region (MLS)...

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by Lucho305, May 22, 2010.

  1. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not really, which was @bunge's point. Don't make me drag out my 2010 example again. If you want to make teh case that the best team is probably in the top 3 of the Shield standings that's probably accurate, but not that the BEST team is the one that won the Shield.
     
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  2. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Except, some teams are playing in multiple tournaments and aren't trying to win the SS.

    So how do we define "BEST"? If we define it as the team with the most points, well, duh. But since we define "BEST" as winner of MLS Cup, then that's the best team, not the SS winner.

    EDIT: Whoops. I missed @JasonMa's post.
     
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  3. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair, we define "champion" as the winner of the playoffs ... not necessarily "best"
     
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  4. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Champion though, in our context, is defined as "a winner of first prize or first place in competition". And that, in our context, is the best team.
     
  5. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    I didn't say that the best team wins the shield - I said that it's the best indicator. I'm sure that there are many seasons when the best team doesn't win the SS - just like there are many seasons when the best team doesn't win MLS Cup - don't make me drag out MY 2010 example.
     
  6. Sean L

    Sean L Member

    Jan 7, 2014
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Winning the Conferences leading to CCL spots rather than the Top Two teams in the league overall getting them is already an admission by MLS itself that the unbalances schedule DOES matter.

    Like Bunge said, no team is putting the SS as it's first overall goal, much different from Euro Leagues with balanced schedules, where winning it is the first goal period. If given a choice, a team will field it's best team against a team that it is fighting for first in their conference, rather than one from the other conference it is fighting for first overall for the SS.
     
  7. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    MLS recently changed CCL qualification - now the top 2 regular seasons teams get in, along with MLS Cup and USOC champions.
     
  8. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    By that logic, goals scored are more important than goal differential in settling ties on points, and overall wins are more important that both.

    Some will agree, some will disagree.
     
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  9. shoeless

    shoeless Member

    Jun 28, 2011
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Bleh, tiebreakers, that's a whole other can of worms. I will just say this; as a defender, I feel that goals scored being higher than goal differential means that my work doesn't matter. To me goal differential is a true team effort, and this is a team sport. Goal differential being lower priority is not for sporting reasons to me, it's for entertainment value.

    Man, I've been an off-topic person today, sorry.
     
  10. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not true.

    The best record in each conference gets the CCL. Obviously one of them will also win the SS.
     
  11. Sean L

    Sean L Member

    Jan 7, 2014
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Not that I'm aware of but I will double check.

    Also add the Voyageurs Cup winner too. That's five possible spots open to MLS teams, although only four are available to the Canadian and American teams individually.
     
  12. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The 16-1 New England Patriots and NFL fans with a brain would like to weigh in here. In fact, the NFL is the perfect example of your comment not being true at all. Yes, we crown a champion in the Super Bowl and they are recognized as champions. However, it is quite often that the discussion is about who the best team was regardless of who was crowned champion.
     
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  13. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    That's brilliant. People discuss lots of shit. So what? I don't think we're talking about personal opinion. If YOU are, then obviously there's no answer.
     
  14. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only 1 is available to Canadian teams
     
  15. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    @ceezmad is correct. Besides the USOC and MLS Cup winners, the USSF's CCL berths now go to the SS winner and the first-place team from the other conference. If a Canadian team occupies any of the last three spots, then the corresponding berth goes to the next eligible team in the combined table.
    This is also correct. A Canadian team cannot receive any of the MLS CCL berths, because those are actually awarded by USSF. CSA awards its one and only CCL berth to the winner of the Voyageurs Cup.
     
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  16. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    The consensus is that winning the Super Bowl is how you prove that you are the best team in that league. That's common knowledge.
     
  17. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You must not be much of a fan of football then.

    People still talk about that Patriots team being the best despite not winning the super bowl. Hell, one of the biggest discussions about the NFL is that the playoffs equalize everything and that the winner of the Super Bowl usually isn't the best team .... THAT is common knowledge ... and @bunge knows it too.
     
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  18. DGreat

    DGreat Moderator
    Staff Member

    CD Guadalajara
    Mexico
    Oct 5, 2007
    El Ombligo
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    people?
     
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  19. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    The only thing I know about the Patriots is that they cheated and should have had some championships removed from their history.
     
  20. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    In the wake of SB 42, the few who argued that the Pats were the best (none who were actually Pats fans) got shot down and disproved. Over at the patsfans.com forum, no one thought they were the best, they were utterly disappointed, and rightfully so.

    Unless a team wins the Lombardi, they do not have any proof that they are the best.
     
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  21. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    :whistling:We're going off the rails on a crazy train
     
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  22. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the Patriots fans thought they were worse than the Giants going into the game, the Patriots fans wouldn't have been disappointed they lost the Super Bowl. I'm a Giants fan so I liked that Super Bowl. The Patriots were among the best regular season teams in any American sports league ever along with the 2001 Seattle Mariners who went 116-46 to tie for the most regular season wins ever and didn't reach the World Series.
     
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  23. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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