Fulham Me Twice, Can't Get Fooled Again: Dempsey's Return

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  1. delo_pata

    delo_pata Member

    Jan 12, 2001
    Durham, NC
    A fine line between excuses and explantations, but in this case I think were firmly in the explanation category. Dude hasnt been genuinely healthy or fit in a very long time. Calendar time is meaningless if injuries are involved. Healthy playing time is the only way we'll know what he's really all about these days. He hasn't been bad at all at Fulham.

    One goal in 600 minutes isn't a DP number, no, but lets see what happens when he comes back and has a chance to work with the side.
     
  2. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
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    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought his touch looked sharper in the more recent game.

    And you're blaming MLS? He looked terrible when he got there: the problem pre-dated his arrival to Seattle.
     
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  3. shnaggletooth

    shnaggletooth Member+

    Jun 23, 2002
    If so, then whatever screwed up Dempsey's form would have happened sometime in the summer, mid-June through August, because he looked sharp in the Germany friendly in early June, e.g. neat Gareth Bale impersonation goal.
     
  4. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
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    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True, but then I watched his first match for Seattle and he was a shadow of the guy who put two in against Germany. There was talk of an injury at the time, and then once he began to recover some form he separated his shoulder.
     
  5. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does that mean as long as he doesn't score he is considered injured or out of form? Because of the way he plays (slow) we are not going to know a definite point when he can be considered fit and in form to be accounted for.
     
  6. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    I'm going to try one more time to use logic and reason in all this:

    His last game for Spurs is on 5/19/13. He goes on international duty, plays five games from May 29th-June 18th, scoring 3 goals, 1 assist and going 90 minutes in all five games. Team goes 4-1. He then presumably starts preseason with Spurs sometime in July, goes to China, scores a couple in friendlies, and then transfers to Seattle on 8/3.

    He then plays with Seattle and the US from 8/10-9/13, scores once in that period of time, and then misses the next 4 weeks with a muscle strain, making his next appearance on 10/9 as a sub. He starts the next game at Portland, hits the crossbar early, separates his shoulder early, and probably stupidly stays on until the 77th minute.

    He's ineffective in his next start against Dallas, slightly better against LA, scoring his first goal in that one. Note that he doesn't miss any games despite carrying an injury that probably justifies resting 2-4 weeks. In the knockout game against Colorado, he has an assist, but I would say he played average in that one.

    In the home leg against Portland, he did everything but score. He hit the crossbar 3 times, I think. Once on a freekick, once on a shot from distance and once on a header in the 18. Ricketts robbed him one additional time with a ridiculous save. Only the most biased observers would conclude that he was poor or mediocre in that game; it was probably far and away his best appearance for SSFC; it was an above average performance. He was ineffective in the away leg, and Seattle gets knocked out on 11/7. His first half-season with SSFC ends and its a mixed bag full of glimpses of promise and injuries diminishing his effectiveness. Just like nearly every other DP that comes over in the summer.

    He pulls a muscle in the lead up to the friendly against Scotland in November, and thus misses both that one and the one against Austria. So that means he goes to London sometime in mid to late December having not played a game since 11/7, and begins training with Fulham. His first game with FFC is on 1/4; he's appeared in 5 games now, starting in 3 of them.

    So that means from 8/3 thru the first of the year he played in the equivalent of 12 games worth of minutes (1103), and over half of those had him carrying an injury during those games. These 5 games with Fulham represent literally the longest stretch of games where he wasn't hurt since June.

    There is nothing to be freaking out about or overreacting to with him right now. He's fine. If his fall 2013 form is the same form he's in come May, then we'll all be in agreement that it wasn't the injuries and the adjustment period, but him hitting the decline phase more rapidly than expected. But on 2/2/14, anyone who is proclaiming him "done", or "that he needs to pick it up now" or "he's in danger of losing his spot" is an insane person with either a clear bias or an inability to critically think and put things in their proper context.
     
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  7. notebook

    notebook Member

    Jun 25, 2002
    In other pro sports, slumps are pretty common after signing big dollar contracts at new clubs. The pressure to show you are worth it, the change from a situation that was working for you. And Dempsey's change was a big change - much bigger than Pujols going from St Louis to California for example. And coming in mid season and with only a couple months to turn things around. I still think he will be fine. Would have preferred he hadn't done the loan and focused on getting settled and focused with the Sounders. I do not see much reason from a dramatic and permanent change of form - no major injury, not that old, and his game is not overly reliant on speed / athleticism.
     
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  8. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
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    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
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    United States
    Fair points, all. The big fear is of course that we're seeing an actual decline due to age, rather than a temporary dip in form. I don't think that's the case here--there are too many other factors that can explain it (plus it was a precipitous drop rather than an incremental one). I think your explanation makes more sense.
     
  9. delo_pata

    delo_pata Member

    Jan 12, 2001
    Durham, NC
    Please don't try to confuse the thread with facts and reasoning.
     
  10. delo_pata

    delo_pata Member

    Jan 12, 2001
    Durham, NC
    Some nicely tortured logic there.
     
  11. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    "Cooling down

    Clint Dempsey, F, Fulham (England)
    Why he's here: After three consecutive Premier League starts, Dempsey came off the bench and was beaten in the buildup on one of Southampton's goals in a 3-0 loss.
    What this means: Dempsey's underwhelming form, combined with the arrival of former Spurs teammate Lewis Holtby, could limit Deuce's playing time for the Cottagers during the final few weeks of his loan from MLS's Seattle Sounders."

    http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/usnationalteam/id/1433?cc=5901
     
  12. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    Speculative blog post is speculative.
     
  13. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    If the Sounders continue their funk from the last fixtures, they may go after Holtby. :)
     
  14. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Paying his wages, they better play him
     
  15. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    It would actually almost amuse me if Holtby just followed Clint around from club to club like a ghost.
     
  16. striker

    striker Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Is Dempsey's big multi-year contract with Seattle guaranteed?
     
  17. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More proof that pi makes people soft.
     
  18. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
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    United States
    reading the latest JK's quotes looks like Dempsey is going to be the SS come hell or high water.
     
  19. Fanatical Monk

    Fanatical Monk Member+

    Jun 14, 2011
    Fantasyland
    Are you going to sit here and tell us that you don't like pie?
     
  20. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With JK and his statements, it's safe to say the Dempsey is going to be a starter and a key spine player until he isn't.
     
  21. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    for better or worse
     
  22. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    we are months away from the WC. Demps will get better, stay the same, get hurt or get worse.

    His competition for a slot will get better, stay the same, get hurt or get worse.

    This, and JK's formations/tactics v. each side will dictate which and how many games Demps gets.
     
  23. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Clint is starting in the FA Cup game today
     
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  24. Friedel'sAccent

    Friedel'sAccent Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Providence, RI
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is this on TV? I'm too lazy too look, but I've got plenty of work I'd like to avoid if it is...
     
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  25. naopon

    naopon Member+

    Jan 2, 2007
    California
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    Kawasaki Frontale
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    fs2
     

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