Revs off-season Part III, no mo JoGo?

I guess your understanding of the concept of "CONTRACT" is different than mine.

 

I don't get this either. The Revs are well within their rights to tell a player to play out their contract. It happens all the time in soccer, even at top clubs. Until we know what promises were made, it doesn't make sense to even talk about.

 

The Revs have lost Juan Agudelo, Matt Reis, Juan Toja, Kaliffa Cisse (salary to be replaced more than role), Chad Barrett and Michael Parkhurst. They have brought it Brad Knighton (good, but not as good as Reis), Paolo Del Piccolo (unproven in MLS), 4 draft picks, 2 trialists?

Right now, this team is worse than last year, while most of the teams below us in the standings have made significant improvements.

If you are standing still while everyone is passing you, it looks like you are moving backwards...

 

And as you point out, were not even standing still.

 

I'm starting to feel like last year was just a fluke and progress really hasn't been made. That all can change with who they sign during the rest of this off-season but my confidence in Heaps/Burns is minuscule at best when it comes to international signings.

 

There's CONTRACTS and there's RESPECT. You can have a player under contract and still show enough respect to keep your promises. I don't see why JoGo would say that publicly if it wasn't the case.

 

Why would Burns continue talking about the contract if it was cut and dry?

Why would Goncalves publicly comment about broken promises if that wasn't the case?

What doesn't make sense is the revs FO would ever risk alienating a player of his caliber.

 

Possibly because they're renegotiating.

Bargaining leverage. Plus, who knows what his agent is feeding him.

We don't know that they are alienating him. He's under contract, he's being paid, the coach likes him and plays him. That's what we know. Everything else is speculation.

 

Kyle McCarthy on Twitter.,,

Typical loan deal (particularly in MLS) involves wage contributions from parent and incoming club. Different on permanent deal. #mls

Option on Goncalves' deal almost certainly reflected change in status (e.g., more $$$). But his stance suggests he isn't whole yet. #mls

 

When a team is not significantly concerned about realistic attempts to compete at the top level, then every player is easily replaceable.

There is no real risk to trotting out a less capable player, as truly competing is not a primary objective of this team.

In that situation, the definition of "replace" is very malleable. So, the Revs FO is correct if they have indeed made that representation to JoGo.

Revs were inordinately fortunate with the Jogo find. Likewise with Agudelo short term rental. Really had two top talents at well below market rates.

(...some muttering in background about blind squirrels....)

Those two pieces elevated the rest of the group, who are a reasonable collection of players on their own, but could really turn into something special with some top notch talent inserted in key spots in the lineup.

Revs FO would be ecstatic to be able to put that sort of talent back into the lineup, but aren't able/willing to pay market rates.

The Pats and Revs both subscribe to the "value" approach -- but the Pats don't f*** around with their top 2 or 3 talents - they pay them.

That's the difference between the two teams. And it is a real difference maker.

It is obviously very clear to the Krafts that an approach that combines "value" players with some very key (and, yes, possibly expensive) talent leads to competing and at times winning it all. Not sure why the cuffs have been put on Revs (i.e., why are they not allowed to get and pay a Brady-level (or at least an "All-Pro"-level talent) to enable that to happen).

Distinct sense that Mickey Mouse has ever more pawprints all over this club as years go by.

M i c,
K e y,
M - o - u - s - e.
See ya real soon!





[Mickey as the new face of Slyde.....hmmm.....could attract more kids, cross marketing with Disney. Drive out even more of the remaining hardcore soccer fans.

And -- Mickey Mouse is far truer to the MO of this club than a sly fox will ever (EVER) be.]

 

The question: Is JoGo as valuable to us as Omar Gonzalez is to L.A. or Ozzie Alonso is to Seattle?

Answer: yes

Therefore, make him a DP, make your captain and best defender happy, and kick underperformers like Bengtson to the curb--buy out his contract, if necessary (in MLS you get one per year), and clear an int'l spot and a nice bit of cap room.

This is the way a team trying to win something would operate.

 

It would probably cost upwards of $1 million to buy out Bengtson's contract. If Burns did that, he'd probably lose his job. Maybe that's the problem.

 

How did you come up with $1M?

 

I've done calculations before that determined the transfer fee must have been at least $1 million. When you add salary, we're set to pay something like $1.5+ million, total, for Bengtson.

It's based on his salary. He's making $138k. That means we're paying at least $250k on his transfer fee every year he's with us. If he signed a 3.5 or 4 year deal, that takes his transfer fee near or over $1m.

 

I'm not sure how you get to owing $1M if we buy out his contract, though I agree with the math you showed.

2012 (1/2 year)
$63K Salary
$104K Transfer
2013
$139K Salary
$229K Transfer
2014
$152K Salary
$217K Transfer
2015?
$165K Salary
$204K Transfer

We have to assume the Revs didn't pay any cash out of pocket for his transfer fee(ie it was all paid down by DP cap hit). This may not be true, but it would make sense and there's no other way to figure out what is owed if it's not true. So we'll assume.

So let's say he signed for 2.5 years originally. His transfer fee would have been $550K. If the Revs wanted to buy out his contract, they'd need to pay Bengtson his $152K. Now I'm not sure what would happen to the $217K transfer fee the league is paying this year. I'm guessing MLS would let us take that cap hit rather than have to pay the balance with Revs' own money.

With a 3.5 year contract, the transfer fee would have been around $754K and his salary remaining on his contract as of today would be $317K. The transfer fee remaining would be $421K. Again, not sure how MLS would deal with that if we bought out Bengtson's contract.

End of the day, this probably doesn't matter at all. Revs aren't going to buy it out, but they may not need as big a transfer fee to let him go.

 

Who is the guy on the left to Rowe? is he a new trialist?

 

I'm pretty sure you're numbers are wrong. For one, buying a player and putting him on a 2.5 year contract seems ridiculous. I assumed it was 3.5 when I first did the calculation. Then, I updated your 2014 and 2015 numbers to show the 5% increases.

2012 (1/2 year)
$63K Salary
$104K Transfer

2013
$139K Salary
$229K Transfer

2014
$145K Salary
$241K Transfer

2015?
$153K Salary
$253K Transfer

That's $827k in transfer fees. I could be wrong, but I think that's reasonable for a minimum estimate.

EDIT: 2015 will be the new CBA, but I assume the contracts are structured to work within the current CBA.

 

Alec Sundley, third round draft pick.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/players/alec-sundly

 

Good coverage of JoGo situation

Brian O'Connell ‏@BrianOConnell21 2h
As promised, here's my story from today's #NERevs training. http://nesoccertoday.com/?p=23585 via @NESoccerToday #MLS


Of interest in Brian's article --

"Burns was not seen at the Dana Farber Fieldhouse during Saturday’s training season."


Can you say "An Undisclosed Location"? Too many peasants with pitchforks on campus today.

 

Some highlights of trialist Evan Melo:

 

GREAT piece from Brian.

 

so of all the f ups he has done and how bad a job he did during a nice 4-5 year stretch this would the one that gets him fired? who f'n cares obviously not Kraft. He probably does not even know Bengston is on the team

 

If Burns went out and spent several hundred thousand dollars of KSG money on a player that would never play for the team again, I guarantee that it would be something KSG would disprove of.