Off-Season Roster Moves: Trades, Free Agents, MLS Draft and Academy

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  1. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    SBI's take: The SBI 2014 MLS Mock Draft (Version 2.0)

    Personally, I think they're smoking something medicinal if they think the Red Bulls will draft a d-mid and a forward. I see the club drafting some speed players, preferably one's who can provide cover at the wide positions. Behind Dax are Bustamante and Christiansen, no need to draft a 4th player who isn't as good as either of them. It's the same deal at striker, with several players who are better. While 2nd rounders might not turn out to be all-stars, if the club is going to go after some depth, there are definitely other positions that need to be addressed. Centerback would be the other position. My guess is they will go for a more raw player who is athletic and hope a few years of seasoning will turn him into something useful.
     
  2. tigersoccer2005

    tigersoccer2005 Member+

    Dec 1, 2003
    North Bergen, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think this will be Petke's first draft as head coach, since last season he came in at the end of the offseason.

    It will all depend on what Petke's draft philosophy is--do you address team needs (positions) or do you simply go after the best player available when it's your time to pick regardless of position? Do you seek to build your team through the draft or do you intend to build the team mainly through foreign and domestic veteran signings/trades? Do you view your draft guys as projects that the team should invest in for the long term or do you view them more as trade bait? How do you balance draft guys with academy guys?

    It will be very interesting to see what Petke's moves are.
     
  3. defendyourself

    Jul 13, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope Petke just drafts the best player. Its easy to trade talent to get pieces in other parts of your team that you need imo.
     
  4. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    This year is a different animal of a year..... The extra games we will have make necessary to obtain players that could start at any time at least on the 1-24 spots of the roster, so, you will pick the best players you can to have that ability during the year.... The reserve (25-30) is another history and you can pick them with the idea of develop them on pin point positions for tomorrow.... But this year you will need 24 possible starters to confront all the games that are coming our way in a decent form.... Players, special the old ones will be tired at the half of the season and will need periodic rest and the team will need personal to sub them at the shorter notice possible....
     
  5. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. defendyourself

    Jul 13, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know, once you get past the first round where most talents taken are suppose to be at least solid, the mentality has to switch to getting the best talent, because inferior talent won't be good enough. You can fill need specific gaps through outside signings of "free agents" while grooming the best young players you have access to and dealing with any logjams when they actually come to fruition.
     
  7. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Consider this:

    • If one of Henry or BWP go down, Cahill can step in.
    • If one of Dax or Cahill goes down, Alexander can step in.
    • Alexander is in a battle with Sam.
    • Steele and Miller are in a battle with Convey.
    • Robles is in a battle with Meara.

    The only 2 spots where there isn't any real competition (or where we aren't covered with a proven player in case of injury) is at CB and RB.

    Thus the draft should be used to shore up these areas and increase competition. The draft this year is centerback heavy, but I'm afraid by the time we're on the clock the best prospects will have been taken. 7 of the first 20 picks in Ives' latest mock up are centerbacks. That's a LOT. However, that may also work in our favor. If the CB's are picked over and with teams more likely in general to select attacking players with a high pick Petke may be able to find a diamond in the rough at RB. In the first 20 picks Ives has only 1 true RB and 1 CB/RB going off the board.

    And of course there is always the distinct possibility of a Meara or Ream type talent falling into our laps.

    Lastly, I'm sure Roxburgh and Petke have a good plan in how to go about this. If they're already in advanced talks with a RB maybe they go for a CB in the draft. Or vice versa. And if they already have plans for BOTH CB and RB then of course they should take the best talent available once they're on the clock.
     
  8. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    That's why I think they will go for a versatile and athletic type of player. As you say d-mid and striker are not need positions. Grabbing the best available player only works if they are truly useful. I'm guessing that the chances of finding a starter are pretty slim. If they really wanted that, they should have traded up not down. Finding a depth player is less critical and thus the team can afford to look longer term, but they still will look at positions where there are likely to be opportunities in the future. You never know if there will be hidden gems to be had. Of course that's where Roxburgh and Petke earn their salaries.
     
  9. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
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    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well essentially they did already find a starting quality player (I hope) by picking up Convey and trading down.

    Exactly.

    Olave and Sekagya aren't spring chickens. We are going to need CB's very soon and now we don't have any proven CB's behind them. This draft is full of them and maybe one will fall a few spots and be picked up by us.
     
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  10. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    I would not be surprised if they go that route. I'm sure having a couple of players behind them who can come on and spell them, even a little, would be helpful. No doubt one or both will pick up knocks or get suspended this season. If Miazga is for real, he'll be the first choice understudy. But you'll need one more just to have much depth at all. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to carry as many as five CB's this season, just to ensure they have three on the game day roster all the time.
     
  11. netsfan549

    netsfan549 Member

    Aug 31, 2007
    Oguchi Onyewu, a punto de salir del #QPR y llegar a la #MLS su destino podria ser #NYRB
     
  12. netsfan549

    netsfan549 Member

    Aug 31, 2007
    saw that on twitter
     
  13. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Gooch left QPR in a dispute over wages. I doubt he's going to be willing to take what the Red Bulls can pay to serve as a back-up CB.
     
  14. GunningforMLS1993

    Aug 28, 2013
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    The only place that might take him for the high wages he wants in Thailand now ($60,000 a month for Jay Simpson, $8,000,000 a year to Jay Bothroyd).
     
  15. iced1776

    iced1776 Member+

    Dec 4, 2009
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Does anyone actually have any interest in Onyewu? I'd pass even if we could get him for cheap...
     
  16. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003

    Nah.... You have to get a Pro-RB period, Kimura is a sub at most period..... In emergency Kimura can start but to be a first team player lt a ton to say about the kind of team we have.... We have enough money to sign two decent RB and one CB..... I still don't know why they let Barklage go a 65K player like him isn't easy to find.....
     
  17. iced1776

    iced1776 Member+

    Dec 4, 2009
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Constantly injured, not attack-minded enough for Petke, and apparently Kimura is a mentor to the young players on the team. I would have rather kept Barklage than Kimura, I think he was one of the best fullbacks in the league in 2012, but I can understand why they made the move.

    I'm more baffled and annoyed by Holgersson's departure than Barklage's. When you hear about guys like Cooper and Espindola making DP level wages then the "salary cap" argument makes sense, but Holgersson was set to make almost half of that number...
     
  18. theENFORCER

    theENFORCER Member

    Apr 10, 2010
    NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll pass on Gooch and I doubt he'll even come close to Hulk's production and consistency at the CB position. We don't need another washed up center back. If he wants to come here for something cheap like 80k-100k sure but I doubt that.

    I don't think we need to break the bank for another CB. Find the right trialist like we did with Sekayga and get some cover with a draft pick. Either way we should draft a CB as Olave and Sekayga are old.
     
  19. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree. I'm saying in ADDITION to signing a pro RB we might be able to steal a quality one in this particular draft.

    BECAUSE HE CAN'T STAY HEALTHY. He can't be counted on.
     
  20. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gooch is only 31. The problem is that he's been in the unfortunate position of bouncing around to a few clubs who didn't play him so no one knows what his game currently looks like. It's possible (but unlikely) that he's actually in good shape and simply hasn't been able to break into a team for whatever reason(s).

    Major injuries and on the wrong side of 30...I agree with you. I wouldn't gamble big money on him, but he's one of those guys that just might be worth a 75k-100k gamble. Doubt we could get him for that though. I'd imagine a team in Europe would be able to shell out more cash to gamble on him. At 31 he's still got some good years left in him...if he's healthy...and you get him for the right price.

    Agreed. Again, this is where Petke and Roxburgh have to make their paychecks. They need to dig up some guy who has been ignored by other teams, isn't making tons of money, but is going to be a very serviceable MLS backup at the very least. If that type of player exists when their draft number comes up maybe they'll grab him.
     
  21. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://www.rslsoapbox.com/2012/5/16...league-soccers-collective-bargining-agreement

    "2014 (salary cap) = $3,100,000
    ...we know that for players that make under $125,000 a year that if they play in 66% of their teams matches they will get at a 10% raise, and if they play in 75% of a their teams matches they will get a 12.5% increase..."


    Again, MLS makes it very hard to be accurate in our understanding of where we are in the cap. However, I'll interpret "play in" to mean "make an appearance in regular season games". In that case:

    68k Akpan
    80k Alexander (appeared in 75% of regular season games in 2013)
    35k Bover
    47k Bustamante
    369k Cahill
    35k Castano
    47k Christianson
    215k Convey
    369k Henry
    110k Kimura (appeared in 66% of regular season games in 2013)
    59k Lade
    88k Luyindula (appeared in 66% of regular season games in 2013)
    223k McCarty
    66k Meara
    66k Miazga
    124k Miller
    35k Moreno
    35k Obekop
    325k Olave
    88k Robles (appeared in 75% of regular season games in 2013)
    130k Sam
    159k Sekagya
    122k Steele (appeared in 75% of regular season games in 2013)
    93k BWP

    Roster spots 21-30 don't count against the cap.

    The current top 20 earners on our team come in at $2,848,000 (based on LAST YEAR'S SALARIES and salary increases due via the collective bargaining agreement).

    Now there are still a LOT of variables that we don't know the specifics of. For instance weren't Sekagya's and BWP's salaries for a HALF season? Shouldn't their numbers be doubled? That would mean Sekagya is at 318k. NO WAY. He must have REALLY renegotiated down otherwise they would have let him go and Hulk would have stayed.

    Some players renegotiated at a lower salary, some got raises, etc. so lets call it all a wash and just go with the numbers above.

    $3,100,000 (2014 salary cap) - $2,848,000 (2014 salaries) + $100,000 (Champions League allocation) =

    $352,000

    That's enough to get 1 star player (VERY close to a DP), 2 VERY good MLS players, or 3 VERY good backups (or possibly 3 MLS quality starters if you pick the right guys).

    If we had paid Hulk the 250k owed to him we would be sitting on $102k left. That simply isn't enough money to play with in an off season. A couple guys with a high salaries had to go to give us some financial flexibility this off season and Espindola, Carney, Pearce, and Hulk were the victims. Their salaries would have CRUSHED us. Now...when the official 2014 players salaries are release and we see Sekagya making $250k then we can start to question the decision making behind letting Hulk go, but like I said above I can't imagine management letting Hulk go unless Sekagya was due to make much less that him.
     
  22. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    I don't about that:
    .......................Barklage.....................
    year........GP.....GS.....G.....A........MP
    2012.......19......16......2......5......1360
    2013.......26.....20.....0......5.......1723

    ......................Kimura.......................
    2013......24......15.....0......2......1575

    The numbers show different......
     
  23. iced1776

    iced1776 Member+

    Dec 4, 2009
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Barklage was the preferred starter for most of the season though, outside of a handful of games. I'd want my starting player to be capable of more than 1723 minutes a season, that's barely more than half of all available games and that's the MOST Barklage has proven capable of playing. Olave and Henry, two older guys with serious durability concerns of their own, have been able to consistently put in between 2100 and 2500 minutes per season in their MLS careers. During Olave's worst season injury-wise he was still able to put in 1734 minutes, more than Barklage did last year.
     
  24. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is no reason to show Kimura's numbers here. He played when Barklage couldn't. NOT because Kimura was injured.

    As iced stated above you need more durability out of your starting RB. He had been injured his entire pro career. We took a gamble on bringing him from DC (where...you guessed it, he was injured). In 2012 he got injured and missed 30% of our games. This past year he got injured again, and when we needed him most he missed practically the entire stretch run. Petke has talked about building continuity with the team and how a defense needs time to gel. You can't do that if a player is perpetually injured.

    In 2 seasons with DC he played 11 games. In 2 with NY he played 45. Better numbers with us mind you, but he has LITERALLY been injured and missed significant playing time in all 4 years of his pro career. That isn't a good trend and a smart front office isn't going to invest more time in an injury prone player. If you say that each MLS season has 34 games then in 4 years he's played 56 times in 136 games or 42%. Not good.
     
  25. jeremydneezy

    jeremydneezy Member

    Dec 12, 2011
    Greenville, SC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't really understand why anybody is confused about Barklage. The 'injury-prone" tag he carried into his tenure here proved to be accurate. Seeing as he also doesn't fit into what Petke envisions tactically from his fullbacks it was a relatively easy decision. I like the guy, wish him the best, but the one thing you want from your backup fullbacks is durability. I'm sure Petke and Roxburgh want to see an upgrade in talent at that spot and will look for Kimura to be a depth option and not the starter. I think the worst case scenario is to get a guy who fits Petke's system a little better.
    I think that Petke and Roxburgh have to be given the benefit of the doubt. They've made pretty astute moves thus far.
     

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