DC Stadium announcement

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by nlsanand, Jul 24, 2013.

  1. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So you against the stadium , no..
     
  2. RerunStubs

    RerunStubs Member

    Dec 8, 2006
    As your neighbor, I agree. This seems to be a unifying proposition for the residents and businesses in our neighborhood, but I am not sure it will mean much. I would like to know what the actual difference in tax revenue would be for the city.
     
  3. EmpedoxFCB

    EmpedoxFCB Member

    Apr 20, 2009
    New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's wrong with Adams Morgan?
     
  4. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    Yeah DC is certainly lacking in the sterile office building environments. There's no better way to add vibrancy to a neighborhood than by bringing in the 9 to 5ers.
     
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  5. evilmonkeycmand

    Jun 29, 2011
    North Carolina
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Funny you should say that. On my flight tonight, I was reading Jane Jacob's Death and Life of Great American Cities, a pivotal book in the history of urban planning. One of the things she hammered home most is that great neighborhoods HAVE to have a diversity of uses, that have people out and about at all times of day. From the comments, an office that brings people into the area from 9 to 5 is EXACTLY what the area needs, to complement the primary uses already in place.
     
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  6. gray2cm

    gray2cm Member

    Aug 11, 2012
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    No, I'm all for the stadium. I just don't see why the city cant stipulate that the Reeves center doesnt just turn into more luxury apartments (which seems to cause rent to rise for all of the rest of us) or more bars. We have that covered as is, I want more actual offices located in the neighborhood.

    And for the New Yorker that asked what's wrong with AdMo--Nothing, I guess if you're a crazy college kid that is comfortable walking through vomit every morning and the all to frequent incidents of petty crime in that neighborhood.
     
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  7. RerunStubs

    RerunStubs Member

    Dec 8, 2006
    I'm not sure what your point is here other than to demonstrate the extent of your ignorance.
     
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  8. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    Umm ... I no longer live there but I was a long time resident of that neighborhood.

    Sorry but I'm allowed to not like office buildings. It's one of the features I loved most about U street. A totally urban city street with no suits. And really no buildings with a profile of above around 4 levels. I could do with fewer luxury condos too though. But if I still lived there I'd be excited about more mixed retail/nightlife use on the ground level. If luxury condos are an inevitability I've always been a fan of a 20% low income unit mandate for the developer.
     
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  9. evilmonkeycmand

    Jun 29, 2011
    North Carolina
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's reasonable, and I can understand why you don't like it. But those businesses in the area don't survive overly well on just a few hours each day. The important part is not the offices themselves, but the ability for the businesses to get business throughout the day. The 9 to 5 crowd brings in more business just before and after work, as well as at lunch time.
     
  10. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    Interesting that you say this because it hasn't stopped restaurants from continuing to open on 14th street like there is no tomorrow.
     
  11. evilmonkeycmand

    Jun 29, 2011
    North Carolina
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll confess I know exactly nothing about the area. But from the article linked earlier:

    I wonder if they could do something with street level retail, middle floors offices, top floors luxury condos? I wonder if that would make everyone happy.

    Edit: And, even if restaurants keep opening, I suspect the need for more spread of business will start forcing some to close.
     
  12. Indiscretion

    Indiscretion Member

    Aug 6, 2007
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They might want to take a look at Ponce City Market being built here in Atlanta

     
  13. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    You don't have to know anything about the area, the simple fact is that businesses of any type prefer less competition to more competition. While normally restaurants can't prevent others from moving into an area, since the building is city owned they have a chance. A candidate for mayor who owns restaurants about a block away has also come out against the swap.
     
  14. evilmonkeycmand

    Jun 29, 2011
    North Carolina
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But it isn't the additional restaurants that they are worried about. They are complaining about the condos. About something that theoretically will bring them more business. That should be a clue that their concerns are real.
     
  15. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    I don't think any multi-unit housing in the area has been built without ground-level retail (which means restaurants) on any of the commercial streets in the area.
     
  16. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The DC office market is pretty soft these days. Long term there's probably too much office space in the District, because businesses and the government are reducing their per employee square foot needs.

    On the other hand, DC isn't building enough housing to keep up with population growth, which is one of the reasons why housing costs are going up here.

    And I'm kind of stumped why you would think building more housing leads to an increase in housing costs.
     
  17. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The businesses on U Street do very, very well. DC has one of the lowest retail vacancy rates in the country, and U Street has one of the lowest vacancy rates in the District. The boom on U Street (and the resulting high rents) have driven to the expansion of retail up 14th Street as well over on H Street.

    These restaurants want more daytime business, and that's fine. But more office space isn't really something we need here.
     
  18. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    If restaurants are such a drag why not a grocery store? I'd loooove a Trader Joe's there. There's some competition in the greater area but really nothing on U St or 14th between P and Columbia Heights. Could have a nice following IMO. Also maybe an Apple Store. Apple has to do enough business in DC to expand beyond the Georgetown location.

    Anyways the developer is free to negotiate with his potential anchor tenants. Partnering with a popular retailer probably does more for the property value that a bunch of locally owned bars and restaurants.
     
  19. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    And that bringing in more office space without more housing somehow wouldn't. Those people gotta live somewhere, and I doubt everyone working in an area with only surface street access is commuting in from Rockville.
     
  20. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    Isn't there already debate on putting a Trader Joe's or something similar on Florida Ave across the street from Duffy's?
     
  22. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    I dunno ... not living there I'm out of the loop. Just spent a few weeks in DC but I was mostly busy stuffing Ethiopian food in my face, chugging Yuengling and main lining Berger cookies ... all stuff that's hard to find in Minnesota ... and of course soaking up the tropical 40 degree weather.

    Either way a large-ish trendy retailer at 14th & U would be a nice addition to the neighborhood. Trendy retailers do more for potential property values for the developer than bars I would think.
     
  23. gray2cm

    gray2cm Member

    Aug 11, 2012
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    I do PR and am no expert on commercial real estate so I have no way of rebutting you regarding DCs current office space availability. Nevertheless, I just find it hard to believe that with all of the organizations in this area that there is zero demand for more office space.

    As for rent, it may be counter-intuitive and I have no way of proving this statement, but the more luxury condos that get built here, the more popular the area seems to become. The more popular the area becomes, the more demand there seems to be for apartments here. Additionally, the more high priced apartments in the area, the more the median rent for the area rises, the more the rent rises for the rest of us. That's what I feel like I'm observing.
     
  24. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure, new office lease get signed all the time. But, by all indications, there's no real need for new office buildings in the District. There is enough vacant space for the foreseeable future, and the way office tenants will use their space in the future means a lower square foot per employee ratio in the future.

    You're mixing up cause with effect. Developers are building condos and apartment buildings because there is a demand for housing in the District. The reason rents are increasing is because developers aren't building enough new housing to meet the rising demand.

    There's no evidence that the District's population growth is going to stop any time soon. We either build more housing to accommodate those people, or we'll see rents keep going.
     
  25. 4four4

    4four4 Member+

    Nov 13, 2013
    Land of 10,000 Lakes
    When I think of Ethiopian food I think of the Twin Cities. What are Berger cookies.
     

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