Flamengo vai ser rebaixado com essa punição? Não. Mas Portuguesa será, e Fluminense será salvo. Não mudou muito pro Flamengo, mudou tudo pra Portuguesa e Fluminense. STJD tem que ser extinto. Clubes tem que se separar da nojenta CBF e STJD e formar sua própria liga, com métodos de punição similares aos das ligas européias, não esses julgamentos farsários do STJD onde se criam dificuldades (permitem escalar jogadores em situação dúbia para punir depois) para vender facilidades. Clubes da Série A tem que BOICOTAR Fluminense ano que vem, pois não deveria jogar a Série A. Deviam anunciar isso o quanto antes possível, assim a Globo corta a verba pro Fluminense, pois não jogarão NENHUMA partida (nem Série A nem Série B) ano que vem.
Nunca tive tanto nojo do futebol brasileiro. Acho que ano que vem vou ver Libertadores e escolher algum campeonato europeu pra acompanhar.
I disagree. Interest in futebol in Brazil >>>>>> USA. Yes we have multiple divisions, more teams and etc ... but futebol being the number #1 sport by far in a country with 200 Million should out weight the other factors listed. Flamengo themselves claim they have the biggest fan base in the world no ? 33 Million !!! Yeah I know most of them are not even close to being in Rio for the home games but still. I think it's right to say it's in a way pathetic that we are the country of futebol but we can't get decent attendance levels. There are different answers that can be mentioned. I don't think it has anything to do with the passion we have for our teams. One of the reasons is that I do think many of our fans are more fickle than others. They start showing up more if the team is doing well. Of course there is always a core that always follows the team. Another part maybe is because the fans were used to the playoffs after the regular season to decide the champion. Those games were always packed. Yet another reason is that I just think we like to do other things in our lives other than follow our teams at the stadium week in week out. If I lived in Rio I'd probably probably enjoy the beach on Sundays more than games.
O Fla não foi rebaixado, mas perdeu R$3,8 milhões do patricinio com a Adidas pela nova colocação na tabela (uma clausa no contrato). Certamente esse dinheiro seria investido no time para a disputa da Libertadores.
I'm not even sure what the huge controversy is...it looks like the courts made the correct decision, following the established rules/laws and their punishments (for a change) Portuguesa just really ********ed up
lol... rules in brazil... funny. The same place where they have different prisons for people with bachelors degrees.
I have no doubt in my mind if this shit played out on opposite ends, if it was flu in the hot seat, and Lusa about to get relegated, the Filhos da puta that are the CBF and STJD would say no harm no foul. It's disgusting
Dois pesos, duas medidas. Look what happened in 2010 with Duque de Caxias. There are plenty of precedents set but STJD chose to ignore that for its own interests. The "rule" also has some loopholes in it that were exposed. O Michel Assef Filho esculachou a STJD. Mas eles já tinham tomado a decisão de rebaixar a Portuguesa antes do julgamento. Lamentável.
I do believe that MLS playing schedule needs to be in line with the rest of the world including the Brazilian league
The problem is not that they got it right today. It's their inconsistency depending on the situation. And the fact that Flu has done a real tapetao twice already. So it just reeks of corruption.
Assef doutrinou aquela cambada de picaretas, os merdas não apresentaram nenhuma replica plausível . O que achei mais absurdo foi que a maioria concordou com a tese defendida pelo Assef e mesmo assim condenaram o Fla , ou seja , essa porra foi um imensurável castelo de cartas marcadas.
MLS plays from March to December which is the same season as Brazil, the main difference being that MLS uses playoffs so not every team is playing the last 2 months. I agree with celito. The comparison is not absurd and I don't think Ivo's defense of Brazil's low attendance is anything but knee-jerk defensiveness. It seems like he saw "MLS" and "Brasileirão" in the same sentence and did not deal with the actual issues. Violence is a big reason the middle class stays away from games and deciding the outcome of the championships in court hurts the image of the championship and the legitimacy of titles. This statement by Ivo: has got to be one of the most Orwellian things I've ever read on these forums. Twisting one of the most embarassing aspects of Brazilian soccer into an example of democracy is just bizarre. It is not an example to be held up to any other league especially when it is inconsistent, detracts from the quality of the tournament and leads people to questions its legitimacy, is entirely avoidable and favors big clubs disproportionately.
A rare time where I agree with Mr. Vickery about the so-called laws.... @tricoloringles laws where the punishment does not fit the crime, yes. The concept of proportionality is part of the common justice system— Tim Vickery (@Tim_Vickery) December 16, 2013
I am so disgusted by this I don't even know where to begin. I have zero animosity for Fluminense and even supported them in the 2008, 2012, and 2013 Libertadores (the former, when they actually eliminated my SPFC and in the latters, when they lost to Boca and to Olimpia, as I always support Brazilian teams). This is so unprofessional. It is a throwback to the days of amadorismo. It's so discouraging, given the concrete steps Brazilian soccer has taken to modernize. I hope Fluminense is soundly beaten in every match it plays in 2014 and very much hope it is relegated to the 2nd division for the 2015 Campeonato Brasileiro. I am even going to root for Corinthians when it faces Fluminense in the 2014 Campeonato Brasileiro.
Sem medo de errar afirmo: a tese defendida pelo Flamengo encontra base legal tanto na legislação pátria quanto nos regulamentos da FIFA.— 𝐌𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐨𝐬 𝐌𝐨𝐭𝐭𝐚 (@mottamarcos) December 17, 2013
Well when a club breaks the rules by putting a suspended player in a crucial last game in an effort to change the result of the match, then that team must pay the price. And the STJT is strictly following the letter of the law by punishing Potuguesa as prescribed by the CBF rules and regulations. And by democracy, I meant that the punishment must be made in accordance with what the law prescribes, which in this case is the loss of points pertaining to the game where the suspended player was put in the match. There is nothing "embarrassing" about that. What would be embarrassing is letting the teams do as they wish without any regard to the law. As to low attendance, I still believe when a team plays hundreds of matches as compared to a pale MLS schedule of matches that you can count on your fingers, then the comparison of "averaged attendance" is absurd. However, of course we can agree that decrease in attendance is related to the violence, but mostly the high cost of the ticket, coupled with week day matches beginning at 10:00PM and ending at midnight.