Don Garber said today that 3 of the 4 expansion franchises are "already spoken for."

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  1. SoCalYid

    SoCalYid Member+

    Jun 11, 2011
    BigSoccer :)
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    Guys there's been over 2000 responses so I realize there's probably an answer in their somewhere, but I haven't been following and that's a lot of responses on a variety of topics to sift through. So can I get a summary, who do we think the 3 teams are?

    Orlando
    Beckham FC
    ???
     
  2. T.M. Anthony

    T.M. Anthony Member+

    Jun 13, 2010
    Hudson Valley
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    Yup, I really hope nobody makes the red bulls NYR, that would just be confusing. I wonder if CTY or CFC would suffice for NYCFC as well.
     
  3. T.M. Anthony

    T.M. Anthony Member+

    Jun 13, 2010
    Hudson Valley
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    Atlanta is the last one you're looking for, Arthur blank has the cash, apparent desire and stadium plan to be part of the league.

    the MLS franchise would play at his new falcons stadium in set up seen here:

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    seats about 27k,offices and locker rooms would be provided, but the turf that was at first meant to be grass may be field turf.

    this is the next closest bid besides the ones you mentioned.
     
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  4. SoCalYid

    SoCalYid Member+

    Jun 11, 2011
    BigSoccer :)
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    Cool thanks.
     
  5. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
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    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
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    Real Salt Lake
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    United States
    It's the same 3 we thought in the beginning of this thread.
     
  6. carnifex2005

    carnifex2005 Member+

    Jul 1, 2008
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    Pretty much. Now that Luke Wileman has been proven correct in that quote, we now can concentrate on who is going to be #24.

    The most likely candidates...

    Indianapolis - 7000 season tickets in NASL, plans on making a SSS in downtown Indy, a few executives with MLS experience
    San Antonio - Their own SSS, good 2nd division fan base
    Sacramento - Good fan feedback so far, a stadium to play at off monorail line, planning to build SSS for MLS in downtown.

    Dark horses...

    Detroit - Talk about making a downtown SSS from a developer but no concrete plans
    Minneapolis - Talk about having a team in the new Vikings stadium but Vikings owner turned lukewarm after stadium funding came through.
    Oklahoma City - Two ownership groups from USL Pro and NASL talking about building separate SSS. Bit of a clusterf*ck though and OKC is a very small market.

    Any others I may be forgetting or aren't known to me?
     
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  7. T.M. Anthony

    T.M. Anthony Member+

    Jun 13, 2010
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    United States
    pittsburgh has a little something going with its new D3 stadium, otherwise you're on the money.
     
  8. AndyMead

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    Nov 2, 1999
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    Pittsburgh has nothing going - with regards to MLS.
     
  9. cthomer5000

    cthomer5000 Member+

    Apr 23, 2007
    Raleigh NC
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    New York Red Bulls
    Seems like a real dogfight for #24 with no particular leader at this point. It would also be a lot easier on the league if that team was west/midwest.
     
  10. fuzzx

    fuzzx Member+

    Feb 4, 2012
    Brossard
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    Montreal Impact
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    Canada
    It's almost as if the league knew there was no obvious 24th team and gave themselves a few years to see how things shake out, while also making their future intentions clear... oh.
     
  11. scott47a

    scott47a Member+

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    Feb 6, 2007
    Austin, Texas
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    Seattle Sounders
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    United States
    As a new Austinite - moved here in March - I don't see anything but an overwhelming amount of Univ. of Texas stuff here, and the Cowboys and Rangers, which strikes me as odd given Houston is closer than Dallas.
    The Spurs are on the radio here, but I don't see a lot of swag around town nor have I met anyone who is a Spurs fanatic.
     
  12. SoCalYid

    SoCalYid Member+

    Jun 11, 2011
    BigSoccer :)
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    Indianapolis would be interesting.

    I understand the importance of media markets, I think we focus a bit too much on them. People often undervalue what good support does for your the image. Full seats and good atmosphere make the overall product easier to sell, it looks better on TV.
     
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  13. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

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    Oswego, Illinois
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    Chicago Fire
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    United States
    Maybe we will have three New York teams, New York Cosmos as team #24.
     
  14. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
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    Philadelphia Union
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    United States
    Doubtful, they'll probably spend themselves to nonexistence before that happens.
     
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  15. fuzzx

    fuzzx Member+

    Feb 4, 2012
    Brossard
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    Canada
    Possible, but doubtful for a number of reasons:

    -NYCFC will want a significant amount of time to cement their position, in fact they(and NYRB) may permanently deny any possible move by the Cosmos.
    -3 teams in NY too redundant given the significant gaps elsewhere in the country.
    -by that point there will be an oversaturation of teams in the east which will interfere with broadcasting and scheduling to a detrimental degree.
     
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  16. firefan2001

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  17. xbhaskarx

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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    I think you are selling Indianapolis short. The argument you're making makes sense, but applies to smaller markets than Indianapolis. We're not talking about New Orleans or Jacksonville here. No one resorts to those arguments for San Antonio, which is the 36th TV market and 31st metropolitan area. Indianapolis is the 26th largest TV market, well above for example Kansas City. And unlike San Antonio it would be the only pro soccer team in the entire state.
     
  18. fuzzx

    fuzzx Member+

    Feb 4, 2012
    Brossard
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    Montreal Impact
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    Canada

    Odd that the $500 Million valuation of the sponsorship/broadcast/partner package is only listed in the Title. Not a single mention in the body of the article.

    2 other facts of note:

    Interesting, though I notice there is no mention of MLS anywhere, nor any details of the team itself.

    and
    This contradicts the idea that they would play in the 23,000 seat FIU stadium.
     
  19. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
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    Apr 14, 2003
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    Real Salt Lake
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    United States
    Well its just more non-sourced conjecture so is it really contradictory? I can see the appeal of SunLife over FIU. I can also see significant drawbacks. He has to start somewhere (if he isn't going to wait for a SSS).
     
  20. BlueIntent

    BlueIntent Member

    May 24, 2013
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    Manchester City FC
    You can safely disregard anything written in the Daily Star... They just make it up as they go along
     
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  21. The 92nd Fish

    The 92nd Fish Member

    Jan 16, 2007
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    Indeed. The Star is not regarded as reputable in the slightest, they quite literally make stuff up to an even greater extent than mainstream journalism.
     
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  22. tigersoccer2005

    tigersoccer2005 Member+

    Dec 1, 2003
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    #2047 tigersoccer2005, Nov 17, 2013
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    You cant trust the English media too much--but now this:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...eBron-James-role-new-Miami-MLS-franchise.html

    It would make sense that Lebron might want to go into business with Becks. Looks like besides the bromance there were also some serious power lunches happening between them to discuss potential investment/ownership in the club.

    Becks-Claure-Lebron ownership trinity, and overall team sponsorship by either Fox or Time Warner seems like things are shaping up nicely.

    I wouldn't be surprised if next Tropicana got in contact with Becks about being a shirt sponsor. Perfect family friendly brand and associated with Florida Orange juice....
     
  23. zensum

    zensum Member+

    Jan 22, 2008
    The Bronx, NYC
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    #2048 zensum, Nov 17, 2013
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    This…one new team is something of a crap shoot here. It would likely take sellouts and waiting lists for both teams before the league and the teams would consider an unprecedented third.

    Dark horses should likely include the perennials…

    San Diego - hard to see a finished league without this soccer hotbed
    St. Louis - see above
    Phoenix - the league almost certainly wants a team in the non-Texas Southwest
    Carolina - that second team in the South could logically go somewhere in this vicinity

    No rumblings from any of these sites but expansion efforts have flown under the radar before. And once again nothing sacred about this 24 number. In my opinion if 25 or 26 comes together sooner than expected the league will gladly modify its expansion timetable. The big decision will be for the 28-32 range and whether MLS wants to fully replicate the other major sports leagues in this part of the world. Can't see why not.

    And any discussion of LeBron has to factor in his decision making on staying in Miami. If he for sake of argument returns to Cleveland it's almost certainly to permanent relocate to and live in Akron. Interesting guy, Akron vs. Miami/LA/New York. Hometown Ohio has its pull apparently...
     
  24. MLS1FAN

    MLS1FAN Member+

    May 11, 2004
    Miami Beach,FL
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    Manchester City FC
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    United States
    I agree, this make sense to me too! LeBron James is the biggest superstar athlete in Miami and with his involvement in this Beckham backed team only bring more legitimacy to this new MLS club in this city. To be honest, I'm very surprised by the amount of media coverage on this possible MLS team to Miami. Just yesterday Brazil played Honduras at Sun Life Stadium, 71,000 plus fans showed up just 5,000 short of full capacity. This morning all the local news media is all over that story and they are tying it into Beckham's MLS bid to bring a team to Miami. Adding LeBron's name to this mix will only insure more local media attention and also National as well as International attention. One thing is for sure, this Beckham backed team has seen more unintentional marketing already before they are even officially announced and that's more marketing than Horowitz done for the Miami Fusion in their entire 4 seasons in the region. Form a local standpoint, which is the most important standpoint for reasons of the viability and longevity of a future MLS team in this region, I can't see MLS failing this time around in South Florida. We've all learned valuable lessons from the mistakes of the pass and the future looks very promising for MLS in Miami. Without Beckham's involvement and the media attention that comes with that, I don't think any of this would work or even be possible!
     
  25. MLS1FAN

    MLS1FAN Member+

    May 11, 2004
    Miami Beach,FL
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope to GOD that this thread doesn't turn into a over blown discussion about LeBron James decision to stay in Miami or not, he isn't going anywhere point blank! Now with that said and out of the way, it's been reported that LeBron has invited the Beckham's for dinner over at his house in Miami and there has been some dialog between the two of them, so a LeBron involvement is a smart move and a strong possibility regardless if he is a Miami Heat player or not.
     

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