Colombia Vs Belgium November 14th !!!!

Discussion in 'Colombian National Team' started by crzdcolombian, Sep 8, 2013.

  1. Froboy69

    Froboy69 Member+

    Inter Milan
    Colombia
    Mar 25, 2011
    San Diego
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yeah in fact, make it a rule that you'll ban someone each time they don't spell it right! (Or 'yellow card' or something).

    Support the cause!

    https://www.facebook.com/itscolombianotcolumbia
     
  2. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    So what is the yellow card/ red card stuff in this site? I see pepino says yellow card and I always wonder if he got some kind of warning or something
     
  3. krass

    krass Member+

    Aug 18, 2008
    dificil argumentar con frases como yo vi o tu viste... pero esta vez si creo que fallaste, Colombia jugó ayer 4-2-3-1 y muy marcado, independientemente de que se haya visto en alguna jugada a algun jugador xy en alguna posicion diferente
     
  4. Alonso#13

    Alonso#13 Member

    Feb 21, 2007
    New York City
    I think Elviejomen is actually being detrimental towards the cause lol
     
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  5. pipevasquez

    pipevasquez Member+

    Sep 8, 2007
    Bogotá City
    Bueno ud lo vio, así, yo no lo vi así. Menos con ese 3. Además con jugadores como Ibarbo, Cuadrado y James que se pasean todo el campo es dificil definir un esquema.
     
  6. krass

    krass Member+

    Aug 18, 2008
    Juan Zapata!
     
  7. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Something that must not go unnoticed is how great that free kick from left midfield play is for James and us. I mean, it has produced 3 goals in the last 2 games. I must say that this is probably our best rehearsed play that I have seen.
     
  8. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    And Ibarbo's goal was a calm cool golazo.
    Not many people are mentioning that too.
     
  9. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia


    Miieeeerddaa, asi es que se narran los goles hijueputa! Yo vi el partido por ESPN 3 para verlo en HD, pero la proxima vez voy a stream la de caracol y por lo menos dejar esa narracion. Se le nota la pasion por el equipo al hombre
     
  10. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    mmm yo sinceramente si odio al cantante del gol y mas a su compañero bonnet jajajajaj ....lo bueno dle cantante es el peguele de ahi papa, desde mitad de cancha a a los jugadores
     
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  11. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Lol entonces ese man debe haberse graduado de "Pabon Futbol Academy" jajaja
     
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  12. elviejomen

    elviejomen Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Hasbrouck Heights NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    lol bro, frankly even me being Colombian I would never understand why Colombians get so mad when they call Colombia "Columbia"
    Btw great game, It was really close and could go either way. Both teams were playing at a very high level, the only break point was when we scored our first and Belgium kind of lost their tactical organization a little bit (i guess due to their young age). Maybe with more experience you guys can manage to maintain that pressure throughout 90 min's
     
  13. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    we are back in the valderramas time! with thes afros
    [​IMG] A
     
  14. elviejomen

    elviejomen Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Hasbrouck Heights NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    se lo dije a J-mezzy hace tiempo Pekerman no juega con un sistema tactico estatico eso de 4231 es mas para los medios de comunicacion. El equipo rota mucho, James bajaba casi como un volante mixto, despues lo veias como winger tambien por el medio, Falcao te era punta y bajaba a buscar balones Cuadrado aveces se metia por el medio y por la banda y retrocedia bastante tambien

     
  15. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Every talented team does that. It's obvious that players don't stay in the same position all game long. That would be counter productive. That doesn't mean that there is not a scheme set in place that dominates most of the game. James switched with Cuadrado and Muriel shifted from left wing to second striker and then back to the wing, but the 4-2-3-1 system remained in place as the structure of the offense and it worked beautifully.

    By the way, starting with a 4 2 3 1 system allows you to switch pieces around more easily than the typical 4 4 2 with Macnelly and Teo who are not as versatile as guys like james, Cuadrado, Ibarbo, and Quintero.

    You can go from 4-2-3-1 to 4 4 2 to 4 3 3 without even substituting a player.
     
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  16. Froboy69

    Froboy69 Member+

    Inter Milan
    Colombia
    Mar 25, 2011
    San Diego
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I got to get my fro that long again...
     
  17. elviejomen

    elviejomen Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Hasbrouck Heights NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    But Pekerman base our system on that idea, Forget Falcao James Cuadrado Ospina... versatility is our main strength.
    Not all the teams can interchange the pieces like we do.
    4-2-3-1 was great against Belgium because Belgium main strength is the mid, like Chile (which we suffered so much in the first half when we tried to beat them in the mid) but that doesn't mean we are going to play 4-2-3-1 all the time, Teofilo is very versatile, that's why he started most games over Jackson or Bacca.
    But depending on the player and the rival you put the formation. Teofilo, Macnelly (which i don't even like) are more central, even though i seen Teofilo sometimes run through the wings. The moment Pekerman called Ibarbo i knew your dream of seeing 1 forward was going to be true. Because is the logical thing to do, Belgium strength is the whole mid, and we can take advantages through the wings.

    What is good about all this is that we basically mastered the "4 4 2" and now we seem to get the hang of the "4 2 3 1" and i put the two formations in quotes because i keep thinking the same, our team is so versatile that is hard to identify a clear formation, all we got is an indication
     
  18. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Well I don't think we should eliminate any formation. All I ever asked for was to give it a chance since like you said, this formation works better against mid field loaded teams. I also hated the myth that we need 2 strikers up front. Our players are too talented and versatile to suggest we have to adhere to one scheme. Like you said, we should switch it based on the opponent
     
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  19. elviejomen

    elviejomen Member+

    Aug 3, 2007
    Hasbrouck Heights NJ
    Club:
    Junior Barranquilla
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I understand your point and that's why I wasn't saying we can't play with one striker my opinion was going more towards the point that even though you see 2 fowards, we r not necessarily playing with 2 fowards.
    This last game was kind of the same, we just change the qualities of one of the fowards (Muriel/Ibarbo over Teo) which made our playing style heavier through the wings than through the middle (which I think it was what you wanted).

    You have to keep in mind that is hard for a National team to master different game styles, because of the small amount of time they have together. So even though I always wanted a team that can play different styles (and that's where I agree with you) is not easy what Pekerman accomplished in half of qualifiers to built a base with a specific style that give us great results.
     
  20. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    In the Chile vs England friendly, the Chileans showed again that we have to beware of them too ... C-BOL sides will definitely be nothing to mess with (like Wu Tang Clan Ain't Nothing To F*** With).



    The same could be said of BEL - COL :) ... nah Pekerman came with a decent & well organised squad + as a worthy opponent you deserve respect for a nice win and our congratulations. Even when I'll focus on our squad in the next 'bit' ... Colombia's excellent performance keeps all of its shine ... Vertonghen admitted that Colombia's unpredictability was troublesome.

    Unlike hyperbolic pundits my evaluation of the Belgian NT doesn't bounce all over the place with every game ... when serious insiders feel the need to burst the Belgian bubble, then I'd have to adjust my views or stubbornly reject reality ... I tend to prefer the former over a skewed view. Most likely Wilmots will make less risky tactical choices after this winter and hopefully all our players return to form when they're needed most (end of this season). Now we can afford to experiment or are forced to do so because of injuries ... even when looking ahead to WC2018 seeding, there's no better time to suffer 1 or even more losses. I'm pretty relaxed about the result of our friendly and the upcoming one ... I'd start worrying if in 7 months time we somehow unlearn to be successful. Besides 'you learn more from the matches that you lose than from those that you win' ... win or lose our friendly was an opportunity to improve the chances of both our teams in Brazil.

    Still in the next friendly I'd like to see the maturity and organisation return that proved to be a succes in the previous years and hopefully Nainggolan gets an opportunity to state his case (Mertens too as he received few opportunities in NT matches while currently hitting his stride at club level). Our friendly was the first game that we've lost since Nov.2012 and our guys had been playing confidently before too. Maintaining focus has seldomly been an issue ... usually it drops in less important fixtures yet in our friendly we should have reacted sooner. As I said in earlier posts Belgium actually performs better in away games than in Brussels ... all of our squad's regulars play abroad and the pressure at home seems to get more or less under the skin of the most creative and/or youngest players ... however Hazard seems to need more pressure to really thrive. So I do agree that inexperience means we'll slip up from time to time yet I'd like to add that our young players have shown maturity beyond their years for club & country in highly competitive matches ... being unbuckled in the 2nd half of our friendly had no impact on the odds of Belgium lifting the cup as they were slim before too ... so even in Brazil the 'older' guys in the back and young guns up front are unlikely to be the main reason why our little vacation will be cut short.

    On the whole Belgium's back 4 suffer when we miss the likes of Kompany. Against world class strikers, like Falcao, our injury ridden defense will be in trouble. Still they held their own untill they took too much risk and were exposed with a high backline after an offensive minded start of the 2nd half ... while in the 1st half they closed down exploitable holes and did a decent job of denying a Colombian lead ... we also wasted too many chances and that came back to bite us in the ass. Our RB remains the weakest link. Alderweireld has been the best fit so far yet he's not a natural RB. A debutant (Meunier) was tried out and he did fine regardless of the fact that he's a converted winger who doesn't have enough experience at RB (injury sidelined him for an extended period and in the Belgian league he faces opponents that are nowhere near the quality that Colombia boasts). Yet he also made a crucial mistake ... if he had looked at how high the other defenders were playing ... Falcao would have been offside ... a flaw by a rookie RB ended up as the decisive moment in the game. He shouldn't be blamed when you consider that the tactical plan for the 2nd half backfired ... taking more risks exposed a defense that had never been tried out before. Courtois is our undisputed No. 1 yet Mignolet needs to get to know the defenders on our NT too + because our second stringer (Van Buyten) was ill and doubts remained if he could replace Kompany (injured) in time, our manager decided at the last moment to move Alderweireld to CB (3th choice) + our other CB (Lombaerts) was also injured and his replacement (Vermaelen) still has to return to form (slowly picking up minutes on the pitch at Arsenal and our NT) + in fact Vertonghen was the only 1st stringer in that back 4 (he isn't a natural LB and on the day his performance wasn't as good as it usually is).

    Hopefully our back 4 will be stronger in our next friendlies ... Kompany will always be missed. Also I'd like to see Wilmots reward players for showing excellent form at their clubs instead of using these friendlies to grant time on the pitch to players that are warming the bench at their clubs ... even players that were valuable in the campaign shouldn't starve the 'in form' ones as NT fixtures are supposed to be used to the fullest. Especially Benteke & KDB (+ to a lesser extent Lukaku & Dembele) showed that their current poor form at club level doesn't magically disappear at NT level. Fellaini, Defour, Vermaelen and Alderweireld did ok eventhough they struggle to get time on the pitch at club level. A few players weren't selected although they showed excellent form yet Wilmots could still have used those on the bench that have hit their stride at club level. When there are too many excuses, there are also too few lessons to be learned.

    PS if we are destined to meet again, I'd like to see both our teams going at it ... when the best Colombian and Belgian squads feature and our players reach the limits of their ability, I expect that the result will be much closer.
     
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  21. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Blondo I also want Colombias bubble to burst before the World Cup. Our CMs and CBs are bad. Our goalies need to be tested(Mondragon was beaten a lot just the pole saved him).

    Rather lose before the World Cup then after. 1st half we hardly saw the ball and then you guys had 2 really bad defensive errors. The game was defiantly not one sided
     
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  22. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    We went on the road in Europe and found a way to win 2-0 against a very good team. Yes, the first half did have its choppy moments but we could have scored 5 or 6 goals if the bounces would have gone our way in the second half. So the luck of the bounces work both ways.


    And other than the result which many people are saying is not the main goal of a friendly...

    ...The best part of this match was the quick integration of Ibarbo and him adapting flawlessly to the Perkerman system and providing the spark off the bench we desperately needed in some the WCQ losses.
     
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  23. Blondo

    Blondo Member+

    Sep 21, 2013
    As I said in my previous post: 'Even when I'll focus on our squad in the next 'bit' ... Colombia's excellent performance keeps all of its shine ...' I could have gushed over your squad too but I'm too preoccupied with my own ... and woe those who try to sell it short :)
     
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  24. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I know.

    My beef is not with you. It is with Crzd who seems to focus on all the negatives and just brushes off the positives as if they were nothing.
     
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