Welcome Carlo Ancelotti

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  1. Alma Merengue

    Alma Merengue Member+

    May 5, 2005
    From what I heard of the interview, they kind of bastardized his words and mixed a few different responses into one. The sentiment is close, but I took him to be saying that counter-attacking is a resource, not necessarily what he expects our identity to be.
     
  2. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    Didn't realize we were going through a downfall?

    You think the players weren't in disarray in Mourinho's first few months at the helm? You think they weren't talking on the pitch discussing what their roles should be?
     
  3. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    Not this much, but the idea of how we were supposed to be playing was much easier, and to be fair, was already implemented to some point.
     
  4. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    Maybe.

    But to question the professionalism of the coaching staff and to make a comparison to the previous coaching staff is completely ridiculous.
     
  5. plyka

    plyka Member+

    Sep 27, 2009
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Let me ask you one question:

    Do you believe that if a team scores a goal via counter attack, that they become a counter-attacking team? Is Barca and or Bayern a counter attacking team? They are very adept at scoring goals on the counter.

    Youre getting confused by an overall strategem, ie possession based versus counter attacking, and by singular episodes in a game, ie the team scores a counter attacking goal. You can have a strategy of possession based while scoring a goal on the counter.
     
  6. Lockjaw

    Lockjaw BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 8, 2004
    Kaiserslautern
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Real Madrid must be the toughest team in the world to coach. Between the president, the fans, the press and the millionaire players, the coach is inside a pressure cooker. RM has to sign the biggest coaching names just to cope with that. Mourinho initially flourished in this environment, but even he burned out.
     
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  7. Akramzizou

    Akramzizou Member+

    Feb 13, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    More his previous teams than us, we spent way too much on this team to go through that. However, if not for a superb Ronaldo, we might not have done as well as we have.

    Mourinho, the players, the fans, all the shoeshiners and floor sweepers knew exactly what system he was trying to implement and you could see it on the field as well. He came and promised electric counterattacking football and the team's identity was obvious, and all the movements were drilled in the players' minds (especially the Ozil goes wide left, Ronaldo far post, and Di Maria chip behind defense).

    Compare it to Ancelotti. He came here and insisted on a possession based offensive team. Weeks later we sell the team's only #10 and sign a direct winger. Welcome back counterattacking football.

    He talks about how a 4-4-2 (never looked like a 4-4-2 to me anyways) is the way to go and how he wont change it since it "works". A week later, hello 4-3-3.

    Players are confused because coach is confused. Experimenting is done during the preseason or deep into the season to adapt to circustances, not in the first couple of months when everyone is still settling in.
     
  8. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    Yes Porto definitely declined because of the professionalism of the new coaching staff, not because their best talents were sold away.

    And Inter definitely declined because of the professionalism of the new coaching staff, not because they failed to upgrade any area of a team that was already old, coming off a season where every drop of energy was consumed.

    And we all know how Chelsea declined.


    You should go back and watch the first few months again. It's nice romanticizing about the good old days, but let's keep some perspective here.
     
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  9. Digital

    Digital Member+

    Dec 10, 2012
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    Good, i hope this is what he said, counter-attacking is fine sometimes but there's got to be a strategy to deal with when other teams give us the ball and just sit back and wait, this is where the team has looked clueless for ages, even against moderate opposition, it was a problem that needed to be sorted.
     
  10. Alma Merengue

    Alma Merengue Member+

    May 5, 2005
    A long, long time ago we had a coach who knew how to work effectively in that environment. Alas, he wasn't "modern enough" as I recall. We did well letting him go though, hasn't won a thing since.

    I give Ancelotti a ton of credit for his approach. I have no doubt there is stuff he isn't thrilled with, but he's managed to handle things well. We now have to wait for the on-the-pitch product.
     
  11. Akramzizou

    Akramzizou Member+

    Feb 13, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    That all contributes, but you cant be telling me that Inter's players all of the sudden realized how old they are and went to shit after winning the treble, or Sneijder decided suddenly to go back to his sulking days. And Porto's best players? Other than Deco and Carvalho they lost average players who over performed or looked good because of a highly functional team. They signed that season Diego Ribas, Luis Fabiano, Anderson, Quaresma, Pepe, and Thiago Silva yet suddenly went from a treble winning team to barely competitive in the SuperLiga.

    Its hard to say with Chelsea because they went through so many coaching changes after Mourinho left, but they also had a very expensive squad and an owner with deep pockets so, like us, should not be failing under any circumstances.

    I think you need to go back and watch some games from this season. You have been pretending that everything is perfect and as it should be when its clear we have some worrying issues.
     
  12. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    So you're telling me they lost they're best players and added a lot of new players. Interesting. I wonder if that had anything to do with anything.

    And yes, I'm telling you that a team that was run to the ground, of which the majority of the players ended up also playing in the world cup, and failed to upgrade in any area had a lot more to do than the change in coaching staff.


    Where exactly did I say everything was perfect? Unlike some here, while I do see that there are clearly issues with this team, I also know a new coach with a new style and with a lot of new players is going to take more than 4 months to fully implement his style. And I know this from watching season after season of constant change of coach's and style that this team went through the past two decades. Throwing out ludicrous claims questioning the professionalism of the staff and how much work goes into preparing the team is nothing short of uneducated.

    The team is winning, and is well positioned in all competitions. There are improvements and adjustments that are being made. You can continue to focus on the negatives, that's your prerogative. But don't be shocked when people call you out on unsubstantiated claims.
     
  13. palynka

    palynka Member

    Jun 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    As a Porto fan, I can tell you that we sold the heart of the team. Carvalho, Deco, P.Ferreira, Pedro Mendes, Alenichev... Yes, like you say, we bought Diego, Fabiano, Thiago Silva (3 failures at Porto, despite being fantastic quality), Quaresma, Anderson, Pepe, Meireles, Bruno Alves,.... This was a massive change, even for our standards of constant renovation.

    That said, we were also managed terribly. Del Neri lasted a month, V. Fernandez lasted half a season and Couceiro ended it but wasn't great either. Porto's 2004/2005 was a complete mess but the quality of players that came in was great.

    It wasn't any Mourinho burn-out, though, it was the revolving door policy. Porto needed to capitalize on the win to sell at a premium and the buys were just fantastic when you look back at the list of players. It was just a transition year.
     
  14. Akramzizou

    Akramzizou Member+

    Feb 13, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I am saying these things obviously didnt help, but IMO more had to do with Mourinho's departure.

    Its not JUST a bunch of professional players got burnt out after a year of football (or like Benitez likes to say, because Mourinho overworked them LOL). Also, are you saying Deco + Carvalho are the reason why Porto won the treble then the double in two years?

    I am not being negative, I just dont like our progress. Read my posts, I never said "man, we look like we need more time to gel" or "we need to work on our movement or on our closing down of spaces", that shit takes time I understand. I am more disillusioned with how confused Ancelotti's approach is. Check my posts during the summer, I was happy when he first came in and excited after seeing how our preseason was shaping up. Ancelotti has done nothing since the beginning of the season to give me any confidence in his abilites (I am speaking on the field, I feel he has been excellent off of it, especially in dealing with the press and he has been put under the spot for so many reasons). Our defense is a complete mess, our midfield has no shape, and nothing in our play shows that Ancelotti put any work in preparing this team. The fact that his formation is changing every two games (exaggeration, before you quote me on that too) and his player selection is confusing doesnt help either.
     
  15. madridismo

    madridismo Member+

    Feb 28, 2007
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Granted it took him a while to get there, but I hope you agree that now Carlo's system is finally becoming clearer. His system is 4-3-3, designed to capitalize the strength of our wingers. Our front 3 is pretty much decided, our middle 3 is pretty much decided, and now it is our defense that needs work.

    Yes, we started out with a 4-4-2 with Ronaldo as a free roaming forward and Isco and Ozil/Bale/Angel on the wings, but Carlo realized that was not working, and has brought in some changes to correct that.

    I dont think you re giving the team enough credit. We have completely overhauled our style of play, and still dominated Barcelona for periods away from home, dominated Juve both home and away for most of the game, and recently put 5 past a CL team that just held Man Utd.

    There is definitely a lot of work to be done, but I personally find this progress encouraging. The front 3 alone are repaying the confidence of playing together consistently by banging them in left and right.
     
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  16. Crimson

    Crimson BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 11, 2009
    We have to remember as well that Ancelotti started out with injuries to Bale, Alonso, Marcelo and Varane and despite that added pressure and the fact that he was at a new team he has still managed to do a hell of a lot better than Mou last season up until this point.
     
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  17. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    Mourinho undoubtedly played a big part in their success. There is no denying that. He's one of the best coach's in the world . But people love to immortalize him and exaggerate his effects on teams. Yes, the players on the pitch were a major part of why Porto won those titles. And yes, Benitez is right, the players were overworked (the end justified the means and I'm sure Inter fans wouldn't trade that one year for 3 years of moderate success). Those are facts.

    People bitched and complained about he kept playing Benzema every game, but when Benzema turned a corner, I don't hear anyone giving the coach credit for sticking by him. People loved to point out how Bale didn't fit on the right, guess that wasn't a bad idea now? The midfield is 100% better than it was to start the season, and it's clearly starting to take shape with Xabi back in the mix. The front 3 have gelled fantastically. The defense needs work but that will be a team effort not just the back 4. Maybe not the progress people expected at this point in the season, but definitely nowhere near the doom and gloom you make it out to be. But sure, you're not being the slightest bit negative.
     
  18. plyka

    plyka Member+

    Sep 27, 2009
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    1) So you were excited when ancelotti was hired
    2) you understand that this will take time
    3) yet in early November you're questioning ancelottis competence.

    Incoherent in my opinion.
     
  19. plyka

    plyka Member+

    Sep 27, 2009
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Wait no one gives ancelotti credit for continually playing Benz? Um for a time there it was ancelotti, me and benz's mother in benz's corner and his mother only secretly.
     
  20. Lockjaw

    Lockjaw BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 8, 2004
    Kaiserslautern
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I totally agree. Given the circumstances, Ancelotti has done as well as he can. And he seems comfortable in changing the line-up, given the constraints at Real Madrid.
     
  21. Subtractam

    Subtractam Member

    Jan 23, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Ancelotti has revealed that with Khedira injured, he will either play a player similar to Khedira (Casemiro) or revert to a 4-2-3-1 with isco behind the striker
     
  22. Oscar13

    Oscar13 New Member

    Nov 6, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Anybody has had the chance of reading Ancelotti's book? It's already for sale. 10 euros the Kindle version. I'm not sure if it's worth it, so if anybody has had a look at it, I would appreciate any comments.
     
  23. plyka

    plyka Member+

    Sep 27, 2009
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    This is true. I think you need to find a guy who could care less, and that's not most people and definitely not Mou. Someone who's like a non-stick pan that allows all the flack to go right by, while keeping in control. Of course the key is winning, because you can always stay in control, but Perez and Co may not follow suit.
     
  24. MadridOzil

    MadridOzil Member+

    Jun 6, 2011
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    Real Madrid
    #374 MadridOzil, Dec 1, 2013
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2013
    He seems to have got the team playing good football whilst picking up the results along the way.. a lot of improvement past few weeks.

    Lineups have also been very encouraging too.

    Keep it going Carlo.
     
  25. madridismo

    madridismo Member+

    Feb 28, 2007
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I think for the first time last night after a long, long time I felt like we were dominating the opposition as a team, running circles around them. Sure we have put 4, 5, 6 past teams before, but just the authority and intensity with which our team played in all phases of play was good to watch.

    The midfield trio of Xabi-Isco-Modric was fantastic, especially this new thing with Modric playing slightly deeper, and Alonso pulling the strings from higher up the pitch. It remains to be seen if Ancelotti will persist with this formation away from home or against stronger teams, but so far, quite encouraging.
     
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