News: Rennie sacked, Yallop NOT in at Vancouver

I'm not sure what it will mean in terms of wins and losses--maybe they will have more points next year under Yallop--but in this Allardycian hire they've gone down a stylistic rabbit-hole they won't soon escape from.

 

Don't know what will happen but I hope it does not damage Sanvezzo.

 

Vancouver is the new Toronto. What is this, their 4th coach (including temporary ones)?

 

And how long before Montreal joins the Land of Torcouver?

 

No disrespect to Yallop, but I'm not sure this is a hire you make the day after missing the playoffs. Seems like a pretty uninspired choice, and one that I doubt needed to be rushed into.

Can't imagine it's going to create a spike in season-ticket renewals either.

 

I wouldn't say this, Vancouver didn't hire a player with no coaching/managing experience to be head coach, and then keep him for another year after a horrible season. Not only did TFC have a bad season. Toronto actually bought max urruti, hardly played him for more than 10 minutes in a game, then sells him at a loss. Now he's scoring left and right at Portland ahah. Does it get any worse than toronto

Anyways I hope it works out, Vancouver have great players who are very entertaining, hopefully manneh will get more minutes next year too.

 

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This. Yallop is a weird choice. Although, I do approve of sacking Rennie. I hated his tactics and thought he squandered the talent he had. Hopefully Yallop dumps Heineman and builds the team opposite of what he did with San Jose..... Right....

 

Is Yallop weird? A coach who has been very successful and is Canadian is not a very weird choice for Vancouver.

If it is a good choice is a different question.

Rennie's teams always faded in the second half of the year. Spent big on DP's and with that comes expectations. The formations he played were not suited for Vancouver to succeed. The times he played 3 defensive midfielders did not work out too many times. When he switched to the diamond formation late in the season he saw success but it was too little too late.

The cupboard is not bare in Vancouver. They have young talent like Manneh and Mattocks and some veterans to build around like Demerit and Reo Coker. And Camilo is the golden boot winner. They do have some high priced guys like Kobayashi and Miller so they might not have much cap space to work with but that is just speculation.

 

Look, I know you want to trash TFC because you are a Montreal fan; however, you undermine yourself when you say "Urruti is scoring left and right" when he has one goal in Portland. It also doesn't help that the player TFC got in return (Bright Dike) has scored as many goals as Urruti has in Portland. While TFC does make dumb moves, trading Urruti (a 200k foreign player) for Dike (a 60k player that counts as a domestic) may not be the dumbest move they have made (particularly if they fill that Urruti slot with Dafoe or Gilardino like rumored).

 

Ugh. Yallop is highly overrated. He's a good coach to have for barely making the playoffs in but other than that, I doubt he is much better than Rennie. Hell, I doubt he would be able to make the playoffs in the new MLS.

 

Well, until you realize what it means to be "Dike'd". =P He's a great guy, and can be a good piece in a certain style of system, but he is a bit of a proverbial bull in a china shop. The fact that he's probably spent more time injured than playing while in Portland doesn't speak to his ability to stay healthy, which is probably one of the reasons he was let go.

I don't know how reliable this news source is. I know there's been a lot of dissent about Rennie, but I don't know that Yallop is the right person for Vancouver to bring in. I think Rennie has done enough in Vancouver for another MLS team to give him a shot, mostly because even though Vancouver missed the playoffs, it came down to the wire in one of the most competitive playoff pictures in MLS history.

 

Actually, you could argue if Yallop has really been successful. Sure, his team was the cream of the crop last year, but they were garbage this year and in 2011. They had an ok 13-10-7 record in 2010 (good enough for 10th in the league) and finished last and second to last in 2008 and 2009 respectively. Also, his only full season in LA saw him finish 3rd from the bottom. All in all he has a losing record since coming back to MLS in 2006. All in all his record since 2006 is pretty much on par with Martin Rennie's MLS record. While a decent coach, he doesn't have the recent track record of success like a Jason Kreis, Sigi Schmid, or Bruce Arena (all north of 40% win percentage and multiple championships, shields, or US Open Cups). Is there a better coach Vancouver out there? Dunno. But I think this is a very conservative hire by Vancouver (if they indeed have hired him).

Yeah, his injury history is a concern. However, he is being brought in to be a low cost squad rotation type player so you hope he has less wear and tear on him because of that. Also, there is the hope that not playing on turf will be better for him. And if you look at TFC's forwards they needed a "bull in the china shop" sort of guy since they were lacking a true big body forward to beat up defenses this year.

 

Really? I though he had at least too, I was too lazy to look it up, but when i saw him play at portland, he looked really good, and he probably has a lot more of a future than the guy toronto got in return. OK, well what I'm thinking is, and I could be wrong, Toronto is going to have a hard time getting anyone good to come to their club, if not for an inflated sum of money, considering their track record. And by the way, Toronto has been rumored to be signing so many different people it's absolutely ridiculous, it changes every month, and they almost never get them. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out.

Honnestly, I do kind of like to trash TFC, but part of me would also like to see all canadian teams do well, but MLSE kind of bugs me. I do appreciate the fact that toronto are playing a lot of canadian players though, and are probably helping our national team out with the academy and what not.

 

Yallop was a disaster in LA, it took years to recover from his short tenure. Then he went back to the Earthquakes and had, I believe, one whole good season, 2012, where they came from behind constantly to get points. He had a good previous history with the Earthquakes, and Doyle was very patient with him, otherwise I doubt if he would have been retained long enough to make it to 2012. This is a terrible hire for Vancouver.

He seems like a nice guy, a player's coach, and that is Rennie's weakness. I think Vancouver would have been better off showing a little patience and seeing if consistency paid off, like it often does in MLS.

 

He did have to deal with the huge distraction of Beckham's arrival and the pressure to play him when he wasn't 100% fit.

 

Yallop wasn't good in LA, but you can't blame him for the disaster that was the Gullit/Lalas regime.

First, San Jose made the semi-finals in 2010, which is pretty good for what was effectively a 3rd year expansion team. Second, your implication that San Jose wasn't really that good in 2012 because they "came from behind constantly to get points" is nonsense. They earned 66 points, the vast majority of which did not involve late winners.

Its fine to think that Yallop isn't a good coach for Vancouver, but not for the reasons you gave.

 

Yes, and he totally failed to deal with that pressure in any meaningful way. As a leader at that point he was useless. And oh by the way the team was already terrible before Beckham showed up.

 

OK, you're right, there was more blame to spread around. But Yallop got the ball rolling on the worst years of the LA Galaxy franchise.

San Jose did have a good year in 2012, but they didn't give the impression of a dominant team as far as talent or style of play. Not a team that I was anxious to watch as a "neutral" (as neutral as I can be as an LA fan), and I watch a lot of MLS games.

I don't have much respect for Yallop's coaching ability or the style his teams play, but time will tell on Vancouver whether I'm right or wrong. He will have something to work with going in. Question is, will he gut the lineup with questionable trades right off the bat? When he came to LA, he seemed quite intent on putting his stamp on the team. I admit I'm biased because I was very excited when Yallop was hired for LA and thought he would be great, and definitely I had my illusions shattered.

 

Wasn't his fault. They were "knackered".

Didn't give the impression of a "dominant team"? They went 8-0-1 against LA, RSL, and Seattle that year, scored over 70 goals, and had I believe one of the highest goal differentials ever in MLS, were in the running for most ever points in MLS in a season I believe, and had a player who tied the most goals in the season record. You may not like it, but the numbers show it was a dominant team. Style? It wasn't so one-dimensional as the reputation. Lots of attacks down the wing and crosses to the big guys in the box but also a very skilled attack-on-the-ground-right-down-the-gut guy in Simon Dawkins, and excellent overlapping back play. At their best they threw numbers forward and scored in bunches - a very dynamic team.

 

The hell.. Someone needs to tell Vancouver that having a revolving door of coaches is bad for your organization...