Argentina vs Uruguay (World cup 2014 qualifier ) [R]

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by Rattlehead, Oct 13, 2013.

  1. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Exactly what was Palacio doing there, why pass when you could shot on goal? lol
     
  2. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Seems like we're settle for a narrow lost. Defence looks more solid in last 35 minutes. Some great one on one stop by the defenders (not Romero definetely)
     
  3. Bostero818

    Bostero818 Member

    Nov 5, 2011
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Whatever
    hes in the books. No going to for Italy to play like traitor Camoranesi lol :p.
    Glad maxi stood out today though
     
  4. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It's okay, I saw somethings I liked, Maxi,Biglia,Banega a bit of Campagnaro, Fede for a moments. The defending is still an issue, got killed on the wings, much too slow. The sub to take out Banega was odd as CC stated. It's okay, nothing to really hang out heads on. I can live with this.
     
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  5. jimmi_moh

    jimmi_moh Member+

    Mar 30, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    +ves : biglia is very much impressive
    maxi is our man
    palcio work rate is very high

    -ves : well lacked creativity from lamela
    no crucial save from romero
    banegas inconsistency
    some more tweaks required in defense
     
  6. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Think he was solid for majority of the game.
     
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  7. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Does NOT cover up his ultra LOW converting rate!

    Milito, Palacio, Cruz, these Inter stars will give us no help to score against strong side in WC knockout stage. Assuming one of our main forwards injured.
     
  8. Bostero818

    Bostero818 Member

    Nov 5, 2011
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    If we face strong teams in Brazil. Which will definately happen if we go far. Then our defense has to improve even more. I know this wasn't our top team but even with them. We have to be very weary. I don't think I will be able to stand another match against Germany
     
  9. jimmi_moh

    jimmi_moh Member+

    Mar 30, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    for me banega was sloppy in seond half , he look tired and given many mispasses
     
  10. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Then you can just hope Germany to face Spain and Brazil to face France while we're getting Colombia in quarterfinal.
     
  11. jimmi_moh

    jimmi_moh Member+

    Mar 30, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    what about romero guys , for winning any big matches GK has to maek some crucial saves , but here if opponent gets one chance it s goal.....
     
  12. xdryza

    xdryza Member

    Oct 20, 2010
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    I'm satisfied with today's game, actually. We didn't have Zabaleta, Gago, Mascherano, Kun, Higuain, Di Maria or Messi, and we almost won the damn thing. Maxi has definitely shut me up. I hope he keeps this form.

    Palacio...is Palacio.
     
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  13. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Germany has a ton of issues at the defense as well. Seems like there are a ton of teams out there who can attack, i.e. Argentina,Germany,Netherlands but defending is an issue. The defense does need to improve, I hope Sabella calls up and sticks with Ansaldi and Peruzzi, they have legs that can run and will be up for it. Leave Zaba in if you want. Fede and Negro at the CB spots I am fine with. I think Fede works better with Negro than anybody else. We have a friendly, a couple next month, we will see what Sabella does. Please...Please... No more Rojo,Sosa, bunch of clowns like Mercado. I stand by Sabella's choices, but if you see a weakness, fix it, stop giving so many chances, which you believe that will give them "confidence". Fix the FB's and GK, and we are basically perfect, I promise you.
     
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  14. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Uruguay was even worst than us in 2010 qualifier and they reached last 4. Now they scored 25 goals and conceided 25. Do you think their goalkeeper is 3 times worst than Romero?
     
  15. Bostero818

    Bostero818 Member

    Nov 5, 2011
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I think the only reason is because Brazil wasn't trying to qualify and Paraguay was weak this time around.
     
  16. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    We conceided 15 goals in 18 matches, averaging less than 1 goal conceided per match. Germany conceided 10 goals in 10 qualifier match this time. Spain has conceided 14 goals in 9 matches so far while France has conceided 15 goals in 10 matches. Germany let 3 goals against us last year and surrendered 4 goals lead against Sweden.

    With exception of 2010 WC, we never lost by more than 1 goal in WC knockout stage since 1982. 2010 was total disaster not because bad goalkeeping but because its a team of disaster. We let 6 goals against Bolivia at the time, if its not a sign?
     
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  17. Bostero818

    Bostero818 Member

    Nov 5, 2011
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I was talking about Uruguay qualifying. Not our team
    And I don't see Germany having a bad defense. They still intimidate the nads off of me
     
  18. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    Must admit that you make some good points there.
     
  19. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    1981 = 2-1 Win
    1982 = 1-1 Draw
    1986 = 3-2 Win
    1987 = 1-0 Win
    1988 = 0-1 Lost
    1990 = 0-1 Lost

    More recent meets

    2005 = 2-2 Draw
    2006 = 1-1 Draw
    2010 = 1-0 Win
    2010 = 0-4 Lost
    2012 = 3-1 Win

    You can see, that's the only time when we lost one sidedly.

    Overall stats according to FIFA
    Argentina = 9 win
    Germany = 6 win
    Draw 5
     
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  20. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    No meets between from 1991 to 2004?

    I hope someone presents this to our squad should we face them. Should give a boost of confidence.
     
  21. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    #96 johnbarley2, Oct 15, 2013
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2013
    Don't think it was odd at all. Notice how when Banega came out, Argentina's defense dramatically improved. Uruguay had far fewer counterattacking chances and when they did there were 3-5 defenders back rather than 1-3.
    Sabella ran a little test there and confirmed something he already knew - Argentina cannot and will not play possession football and footballers like Banega who dominate possession and create play via build-up will not start for this squad.

    Banega is very skilled but he requires strong defense behind him. And even then, at this stage in his career he is not mature enough to avoid the mistakes which lead to extremely hazardous counterattacks. He might be a late bloomer like Xavi. I could see him hitting his peak in 3 years or so since his game is all about technique. He's really only lacking decision making and a squad that fits him. He should still go to the WC but as the X-factor if Argentina is struggling. Move Messi up the pitch and put in Banega as the #10.

    Biglia on the other hand played a flawless, though less ambitious, match. His tackling was amazing, rivaling Masch's, he made zero mistakes that I saw in passing, never overplayed, and even managed to be involved offensively a bit. He can play basically any MF position and he's certainly sealed his place with the squad as a 2nd option for either Masch or Gago.

    The only thing Gago has over him right now is better long range passing which Argentina, as a counterattacking squad, rely heavily on . Though with Gago's chronic injury problems, Biglia could replace him if he strings more performances like this one together. Sabella said he was worried about Gago's lack of playing time due to injuries. Would be very interesting to see him play alongside Masch in a friendly.

    FF was the most worrying player in this match. Romero we know will never save us and only let us down. Banega we confirmed what we already knew - he's erratic. But FF, was just poor everywhere, even defending in the air which is his main role. As our starting CB, that's a big worry. Shall we begin considering the right CB position the 3rd big squad weakness? If I were Sabella, I would give him one more stiff test alongside Garay, Zab, and Rojo/Camp. If he fails that test we should try Camp, Otamendi, Colo as our right CB.
     
  22. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Anyone know how many argentines have played 3 world cups? Because this will be the third for Messi, Masche, Maxi and who else?
     
  23. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Top of my head.... Diego(4),Bati,Veron,Ortega,Cholo,Crespo,Ayala, all played in 3. Ruggeri was called for 3, so was,Caniggia(was sent off from the bench in 02, lol, never hit the pitch), Passarella was called for 3 as well.
     
  24. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Ruggeri played in three... 86, 90, and 94 wasn't he the captain when maradroga was kicked out?
     
  25. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    Just realized it was Biglia's long pass that released Palacio on Argentina's first goal. Though you could say he could have picked up Cavani in midfield on Uruguay's last. He relaxed, probably thinking FF would control the ball and Cavani sprinted right past him. FF's reaction on that one was very bad after the mis-control. He might have been able to recover position on Cavani if he had sprinted that way immediately.
     

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