MLS Considering Split Season, Playoff Changes

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Th4119, Sep 22, 2002.

  1. lond2345

    lond2345 Member

    Aug 19, 2002
    USA
    think of upside:

    more games = more experience for players, develop faster, quality increases in mls

    national team + mls benefit
     
  2. detroitexpress

    detroitexpress New Member

    Oct 24, 2000
    Detroit
    I'm in favor of any system that puts meaningful MLS games on the tube.
     
  3. Chowderhead

    Chowderhead Member

    Aug 3, 1999
    Central Falls, RI
    So we should emulate them? Money or no money, the Mexican league has, in my mind, always been an organizational joke. The "grupos", two titles in one calendars year, uniforms straight out of NASCAR. No thanks.

    And while Mexico's organization may be just a joke, Brazil's is a nightmare. You should know that.

    Anyway, I don't want the Latin fascination with "organizing" more competitions just so more victory laps can be realized to take hold here.
     
  4. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He said four teams would make it instead of eight, and it might be "best out of 3" or home v. home a la the Europeans, as opposed to first to 5.
     
  5. GersMan

    GersMan Member

    May 11, 2000
    Indianapolis
    Other than not predicting the U.S.A. for World Cup greatness in 2002, what has Jamie Trekker written that is so objectionable to you?
     
  6. Go_Whitecaps

    Go_Whitecaps New Member

    Anybody think this could be the first step to a merger with the Mexican league?
     
  7. Chowderhead

    Chowderhead Member

    Aug 3, 1999
    Central Falls, RI
    Please, my man. That's all we need.
     
  8. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Really??? Whoops! :eek: Must have been reading a different version of the article.

    But I think the last paragraph of my prior post still applies (and I still think Trecker is accenting what he wants to happen).
     
  9. FootyMundo

    FootyMundo New Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Minneapolis
    I have not read this thread, but a split season strikes me as incredibly stupid and here is why:

    1. You have managed to increase attendance for two years straight. You are doing things right. Do not change for something that is completely foreign to YOUR fan base. I could care less how they do it in Argentina. They have only one sport there.

    2. It makes the season too long.

    3. It will alienate you even further from the media.

    4. By creating two titles of any sort through one season of play you cheapen the championship. Note the Open Cup is something entirely different in my mind. And if you throw in the "Supporters Shield" you've made not two titles, but four.
     
  10. Cruyff14

    Cruyff14 New Member

    Aug 29, 2000
    From the prespective of already having players under contract. It might be a good idea. The winters arent to friendly so I would hope the dont try to emulate mexicans league. Maybe just starting earlier is a good idea with a 2 or 3 week break midseason. In certain respects the mls has to contiue to chart there own course.
    with trading allowed on the break to add more drama.
    HMM what are they thinking first breaking off with the A-league which actually was more adventagious for mls the A-Lge. But that is why I have only been going to A-Lge games.
    I like the idea i proposed though!!1
    cheers everyone onward to Milwaukkeeee
    Gooooo Kickers!!!!!
     
  11. GoHawks4

    GoHawks4 Member

    Apr 24, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like it.
     
  12. MUTINYFAN

    MUTINYFAN Member

    Apr 18, 1999
    Orlando
    i think that it cheapens the status of being champion. Not only that, it adds fodder to those soccer bashers in the media when they say that soccer is a socialistic sport that rewards parity. 2 champions in one year. Wait till they hear about that.
     
  13. FootyMundo

    FootyMundo New Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Minneapolis
    I agree. The league has worked to hard to build a fan base only to suffer bashing not only of their sport but also their very organization. It is already working. LEAVE IT BE!
     
  14. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    28 games is not enough. Until they control more stadia, it probably doesn't make sense to have more games. Eventually, I think we'll see 40 games or so.

    I totally agree about the two seasons per year. That would be horrible.
     
  15. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Are you serious?? Trecker the Younger has constatnly bashed MLS for 7 years.
     
  16. Wizardscharter

    Wizardscharter New Member

    Jul 25, 2001
    Blue Springs, MO
    Why is it we can't start refering to the unfair-for-seeding-concerns two leg playoff series as "needing to be changed to a TRUE first to 5 series."
    I'll even answer: Because Euro CL series are not meant to be seeded unlike MLS series that most definitely are.

    MLS DOES NOT NEED TO BE EUROPEAN ABOUT ANYTHING.

    First to 5 is the single fairest way to reward seeds anddetermine who moves to the next round.
     
  17. LA Galaxy Fan

    LA Galaxy Fan Member

    Feb 28, 2000
    Tokyo
    10 teams 9 Homes and 9 Away= 18 games per open

    Take off months of June-July

    10 teams 9 Homes and 9 Aways= 18 games per close

    18+18=36 games instead of 40 games

    I like it :)
     
  18. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If there's a way MLS can get the season started a little earlier, and have room for breaks for the WC, Confederations Cup, and qualifying, then I'm okay with it. From a soccer stand point, I don't think the two season is that foreign to most soccer people in this country. The old leagues before the NASL used to have a two season format and all over the country kids play fall seasons that start in September and spring seasons that start in March.

    A two season set up would be forieign to a mainstream sports fan and the media though. I think that would make MLS difficult to follow and hard to understand. For that reason, I would be in favor of a two season MLS. I think a 36 game season with a break would be better.

    However, I think MLS could make a two season format work if each season had a streamlined playoff and the winners of the respective seasons met for the MLS cup once each season was completed. Of course if the same team wins both trophies, then you have to come up with a convoluted way of crowning a champion, so I guess that's where things fall apart.
     
  19. dawgpound2

    dawgpound2 Member

    Mar 3, 2001
    Los Angeles, CA
    This reeks of MLS floating a trial balloon through a disrespected member of the media. If we the fans hate the idea, MLS backtracks, saying there was nothing to Trecker's piece. If we love the idea, they go further with possible plans.

    Sounds to me like MLS using the media very well to do its' market research.

    Well, Trey, if you are reading, THIS IDEA SUCKS CANAL WATER!
     
  20. Topo

    Topo Member

    Feb 15, 2001
    More games. Single table. Sounds good to me.

    Two 20 games seasons? I would guess two 18 game seasons (home and home with every opponent in each season) would be the more likely schedule.

    Still, that's 36 games and every opponent visiting twice.
     
  21. DC Forever

    DC Forever New Member

    Mar 26, 2001
    Rockville, MD
    I like the idea of making sure that league isn't competing with the big international events, and if this means that the U.S. will always play in Copa America, then it's great.

    And I think that people would take the two season thing -- with a final championship game between the two winners -- relatively easily.

    And I think that there's lots of sense in starting the season MUCH earlier -- like February, which is traditionally the dead time on the U.S. sports calendar -- football done, pro and college basketball playoffs not started yet, baseball not even in spring training yet. There are really only two MLS cities where there's an overwhelming likelihood of bad conditions at that point, and they can just start their seasons with 3 or 4 road games every year. In most of the country, February's much more hospitable soccer weather than July.

    BUT . . . if we're going to play more games, we need bigger rosters. Much bigger. It's an absolute prerequisite.
     
  22. chayes

    chayes New Member

    Feb 29, 2000
    Raleigh, NC
    If they are going to 40 games plus playoffs, there had better be an increase in roster size.
     
  23. mjtate

    mjtate Member

    Feb 3, 2000
    Westerville, OH
    Taking time off in the summer doesn't make business sense. It's the only time MLS has access to a consistent time slots on TV, and there is much less congestion on the sports calander. Plus, playing more games in the fall make it tougher for field availability (not to mention more gridlines). I know the weather is a bit warm for soccer, but its the currently works best for the league.

    I'm all for having more MLS games but the split season doesn't sound good.

    And please, leave the 1st to 5 alone.
     
  24. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Several points.
    1) Jamie Trecker has bashed both MLS and US Soccer. So what. If everything he typed was made up, then he wouldn't have a job. I don't see anything in the article claiming that any of this will come to pass.

    2) This is news. We definitely want to know what the league is considering. If this same news was leaked by Jeff Bradley or Grant Wahl the reaction would be completely different.

    3) Remeber the contraction bombshell fell one year before contraction happen. There was no way in hell that the MLS was going to lop off two teams. Especially a "successful" year after they had decided not to.

    4) The league has to consider alternatives. To be honest, I don't think a split season is feasible until they have better control over stadium dates.

    5) There is nothing un-American about split seasons. Minor league baseball is chock full of examples. I'm not advocating it, I'm just pointing out a counter example.

    6) Folks worried about negative reaction from the press over this plan are way ahead of themselves in my opinion. Any word written or spoken about MLS is a good thing.

    ----
    Personally, I'm intrigued by the idea. It would definitely align MLS with most of the rest of the world, allowing the US National Team to participate in things like Copa America, the Confed Cup, and the World Cup without major roster disruptions.
     
  25. cpwilson80

    cpwilson80 Member+

    Mar 20, 2001
    Boston
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the US has a chance to bring their A team (dah du-du-dah!) to as many serious competitions as possible, all the better. Though not the biggest problem in the world, missing the biggest stars in the league for 1/3 of the season every 4 years isn't great. And who knows if FIFA puts any more effort behind the International Calendar.

    However...MLS has done a good job of making progress with the current format. More fans are coming out to the games and becoming familiar with the teams, players, feel for the games, and the format of the league. There's no need to change things every couple of years.

    Also, wasn't there some example where this happened in baseball one season? This could be wrong, but I believe that there was a work stoppage of sorts, and they deemed that the leader in the first half and leader in the second half would make the playoffs. It turns out some team (I want to say the Reds) had the best overall record in the season, but finished 2nd both times.
     

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