News: Klinsmann sets the bar for Brazil

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  1. vaquero28

    vaquero28 Member

    Jul 9, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just for clarification as to Wynalda's criticism of JK......http://www.onelovefc.com/features/post/eric-wynalda-why-not-us
     
  2. vflkirwan

    vflkirwan Member

    Mar 28, 2000
    North Jersey
    Club:
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I recall before the 2002 World Cup, Clint Mathis was asked who he thought would win the World Cup. He responded with 'the USA'.
    When that was followed up, he said and I'm paraprhasing that 'If I tell you another team will win, that means that we will have lost. I don't go into any game thinking that we are going to lose.'

    That is the correct answer and why we all love Clint Mathis.
     
  3. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. I don't get how this link relates to the thread topic.

    2. When Waldo goes off about the importance of win bonuses, I wonder if anyone has ever pointed out to him that those college kids he's bashing in this blog post have non-guaranteed contracts and so, if they aren't worth the cap hit, they'll get cut right away. And I wonder if he's ever realized that non-guaranteed contracts are probably more of a motivation than some pissant win bonus. He strikes me as the kind of guy who would just dismiss that.

    3. He thinks MLS should play fall to spring. Therefore, I can say with complete confidence that he's an idiot.
     
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  4. PremierUSA

    PremierUSA Member

    Sep 2, 2013
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Why? Is it supposed to actually get worse than a 0.3 rating for the last MLS Cup? MLS would be competing against baseball and basketball instead of baseball, hockey and (American) football, which is now king.
     
  5. Ironkick14

    Ironkick14 Member+

    Sep 29, 2011
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because you can't play games in Toronto in February (or Montreal or New York or Chicago or Boston...). It has nothing to do with TV ratings. Also, it's irrelevant, but a fall to spring schedule would compete with hockey much more than the Spring to Fall schedule does, because the playoffs would be at around the same time.
     
  6. PremierUSA

    PremierUSA Member

    Sep 2, 2013
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Start late February and have those teams start with more road games. And it would not compete with hockey. Hockey has a niche audience. It would compete with basketball and baseball; but that's better than (American) football, which is easily this country's main obsession right now.
     
  7. vaquero28

    vaquero28 Member

    Jul 9, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apparently some have never seen the weather Berlin, Moscow, and western and eastern Europe in general????
     
  8. vaquero28

    vaquero28 Member

    Jul 9, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  9. PremierUSA

    PremierUSA Member

    Sep 2, 2013
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
  10. backpackpenguin

    Jul 8, 2007
    New York, NY
    The people in Moscow have seen their own weather and decided that it's too cold to play there until mid-March.
     
  11. PhillyandBCEagles

    Jul 9, 2012
    NC
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Toronto, Montreal, New England, Vancouver, Philly, NYRB*, Chicago, Colorado, and San Jose are all in markets where hockey is a legitimate major sport--the most popular sport by far in the three Canadian markets and more popular than the local NBA team in Philly and Colorado. It's less of a draw in Columbus, DC, and Dallas but will still beat MLS head-to-head. Of the league's other 7 teams five don't share a market with the NHL and one is a complete joke. The only MLS team that might be able to go head-to-head with an NHL team in its home market and win is LA.

    (* - With the introduction of NYCFC, NYRB will likely have more of a Jersey-based fanbase and will be competing more with the Devils, which they might be able to win. NYCFC however will be going up against the Rangers and Islanders, which is a battle they won't win.)
     
  12. PremierUSA

    PremierUSA Member

    Sep 2, 2013
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Great point. The NHL would present a problem. But, like soccer, their fans tend to be niche and not mainstream. I think those teams are competing with other teams no matter when the season is played. The bigger argument for me is the weather. But, I just think this is more about TV penetration than attendance, which should remain strong. Competing against college and professional football seems very il-advised.
     
  13. KickersFTW

    KickersFTW Member+

    Jan 12, 2012
    RVA (Soccer hotbed)
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What Jurgen meant was "We'll win the World Cup and dance around in US boxers in the middle of DC surrounded by thousands of Americans in the streets and random confetti falls from the sky"
     
  14. Goldtone

    Goldtone Member+

    Aug 8, 2013
    California
    Club:
    Udinese Calcio
    If the season does not sync up with Euro schedule, then remove the salary cap.

    Europe should really be on the cycling/summer schedule; early Spring to Fall. World Cup in late Fall when players are peaking in form for the year. It sounds crazy, but I think England would do more :p
     
  15. PhillyandBCEagles

    Jul 9, 2012
    NC
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    That's not really true in those markets I mentioned. It's unquestionably the #1 game in town in the three Canadian markets and the Flyers are neck-and-neck with the Phillies for #2 billing in Philadelphia most of the time (not in the late 00s, when the Phillies won the World Series and two pennants and were challenging the Eagles for top spot in the city, but they've come back to earth). The NY-area teams are interesting, the Devils and Islanders have niche fanbases but the Rangers are a legitimate major team.
     
  16. PremierUSA

    PremierUSA Member

    Sep 2, 2013
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    MLS penetrating the mainstream is going to be based upon national television coverage/ratings. Competing with football is a terrible idea. If certain teams take hits in attendance by switching to a winter/spring schedule, then so be it.
     
  17. dban

    dban Member

    May 20, 2003
    PhillyBurbs - Delawareside
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Have you ever been outside in Philly, NY, Chicago, or Boston in January and February?

    Playing or watching soccer is not possible.
     
  18. Ironkick14

    Ironkick14 Member+

    Sep 29, 2011
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    His club is LA. If that's where he's from, then I understand why he'd want to play a winter schedule and why he thinks NHL is a niche sport in most markets.

    Being from Chicago, and going to a parade in June where an estimated 3 million people showed up to celebrate the Blackhawks winning the Stanley Cup, I can assure you that in the north, and especially in the markets where the Original 6 teams are, the NHL is not a niche sport. On one afternoon, the Blackhawks had about half as many fans show up to an event as the Fire have at every game combined since 1998. The blackhawks are every bit as big as every other team here, including the Bears and Bulls.
     
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  19. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yet TV ratings average a lot less than that, even my brother that has never been to a hockey game and could not tell you the rules of the game was at that parade (maybe it was the one 3 years ago).

    Some people just like the celebrations I guess.
     
  20. Ironkick14

    Ironkick14 Member+

    Sep 29, 2011
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In 2010 that was probably true of a lot of people. They were just there for the celebration. I was at both. In 2013 it was a lot more than just the parade. During the entire playoff run, you couldn't go outside without seeing a few people in Blackhawks jerseys. If you went to a restaurant or bar, even on a day when there wasn't a game, chances are you'd be part of a conversation about the team. Most of the fans that started caring in 2010 kept caring, and actually took it upon themselves to learn about hockey in the 3 years between parades.

    As for the TV ratings, yes they average less than that, but those ratings don't take into account people watching at bars, and every bar in the Chicagoland area was full on nights when there was a game.
     
  21. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS is a fanny league, like hockey and baseball. It's not an eyeball league, like the NFL. Who cares about doubling MLS Cup ratings when attendance will dive?
     
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  22. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Its not impossible in NY, Philly and Boston (really can't speak of Chicago winters). It would be a miserable day with temsp in the low 30's (not unlike England or Scotland), but it is not a fan friendly environment. And, unlike the British Isles the likelyhood of days in the low or mid 20's are much more likely in the US winters.
     
  23. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yet, according to ESPN soccer beats hockey in attendance (not by much).
     
  24. Hachiko

    Hachiko The Akita on Big Soccer

    Jun 8, 2005
    Long Beach, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd like us to face Russia in our group.
     
  25. dban

    dban Member

    May 20, 2003
    PhillyBurbs - Delawareside
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I took a quick look at Philly/Chester temps on Sats from last year, Jan/Feb/Mar 2012.

    The temps from 12/31 - 3/17 on Sat were: 45, 40, 28, 26, 36, 34, 28, 37, 38, 45, 33, 48. Quite a few midweek days were below 20 degs so night games during the week could be damn cold.

    Last year was pretty mild. You also have to count on wind chill at PPL Park which sits right next to the river.

    As you said, not impossible, but some miserable days.
     

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