THE FINAL COUNTDOWN--Arrested Transfer Development Thread

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    If Arsenal want to score at least 85 points - yes!
     
  2. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Here is the table from 2011/12

    72 goals is not nearly enough.

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  3. BigEffingGooner

    BigEffingGooner Member+

    Apr 25, 2012
    Austin, Tx
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy

    We fattened up on goals against bad teams, and particularly early in the season. Look at us against top teams, we were 0-1-5 (1 point) against the three teams above us. We only conceeded 8 goals in those games if memory serves. The problem is we couldn't hardly create a chance against those teams, let alone score them.

    Just think, we were that bad against the top teams and still finished with more points than we had the previous season (with RVP) - if we had been able to create anything, and win just ONE of those games we would have finished third, with six points more than the season before.

    Defense is NOT our need, it is at the offensive end where we lack any creativity to open up opponents other than Santi (and to a lesser extent Rosicky).
     
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  4. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    We have needs on both ends. But we had (and still have) greater needs in attack: another striker to spell Giroud, someone who can play on the right to back up Theo (Gnabry perhaps?), and a midfielder to eventually replace Arteta.

    Needs in defense aren't nearly as urgent: a fourth CB, and another right back in the long term to eventually replace Sagna or backup Jenkinson. It's possible that the club could promote Bellerin to backup Jenkinson.
     
  5. total_football

    total_football Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The fact that Gnabry and our 16 year old from Mary-Land were promoted to the first team at such a young age means that that they can play. I am hopeful for them.
     
  6. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are any of the youth strikers actually promising? I feel like "buying" Sonogo means Arsene doesn't have much faith in our forwards.
     
  7. crazy150

    crazy150 Member+

    Aug 27, 2006
    North Cuba
    Sonogo was free--AW's favorite price, no reason to take your analysis any further than that.
     
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  8. Boogie_Down

    Boogie_Down Member+

    Jul 7, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What a dick. I hate him!
     
  9. VAComet85

    VAComet85 Member

    Dec 23, 2007
    Tampa Bay, FL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I see you're not one for a daydream so I guess that's that then... Haha Seriously though Im not familiar with Volland, looks like he's got 3 goals in 4 Bundesliga games this term, not a bad start for a kid his age. Good call.
     
  10. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Volland is very quick and left footed. Looks to have an eye for goal and is a decent dribbler too. I think he can poay wide too
     
  11. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    we finished 3rd in goals scored... not enough
     
  12. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Volland's natural position is probably out wide actually, although he can play at CF too. Good work-rate, great potential, and is tremendously versatile.
     
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  13. timh19

    timh19 Member+

    Jul 26, 2011
    It should be 4 goals in 4 matches because he scored a legitimate goal but the ref didnt see that the ball crossed the line so didnt count it. Volland was one of the few positives in Germany U21's disappointing Euro U21. In his first professional season at the age of 18, he scored 6 goals and made 4 assists in the 2nd division. In his 2nd pro season at the age of 19, he scored 13 goals and made 11 assists again in the 2nd division. Then last season in his first Bundesliga season at the age of 20, he scored 6 goals and made 12 assists. Now this season at the age of 21, he has 3 (should be 4 ) goals and 2 assists in 4 matches.
    Today, he scored 2 goals away vs Ireland U21. He plays as a winger for his club but for Germany U21 he plays as a striker. He can play on either wing, as a number 10 and as a striker. It is not just his goals that make him a good player. It is his great dribbling, link-up play, off-the-ball movement and vision(shown by his big number of assists)
    This is his real breakthrough season and there will be a lot of clubs who will try to buy him next summer.
     
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  14. VAComet85

    VAComet85 Member

    Dec 23, 2007
    Tampa Bay, FL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well you sold me, shall we have Gazidis' personal Brinks truck headed toward Hoffenheim in time for Jan. 1? :)
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    As Tim said, Lewa is going to Bayern on a free.
     
  16. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Looking at our scoring leaders last year, the Özil signing makes more and more sense.

    At first glance, it looks like we have a dire need for a prodigious goal-scoring striker. But our scoring leaders in the Prem last season were, in order, Theo, Santi, and Poldi, followed by Giroud. The scoring is way more balanced than the years prior where we were ridiculously over reliant on Van Persie. In 2012/13 United, City, only their forwards were in double digits in league play. Chelsea only had Lampard and Mata in double figures.

    Other teams were more reliant on that "main" striker" than we were last season. Any production out of that position should probably be seen as a "bonus" at this stage. Obviously not the case when RVP was here.

    No doubt a free scoring striker is better, but barring one seems silly to chase it.
     
  17. darcgun

    darcgun Member+

    Jan 11, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Bar Spurs (to be fair both home and their place) we didn't play badly. We played poorly against the other top 5.

    I still don't get the argument. So we had amongst the highest GF tally, but we lack goalscoring capability? Didn't we have three or four players who scored more than 10 PL goals (Theo, Giroud, Podolski, Santi)?

    Or is this just illusory thinking, since we had Robin who scored a shit load in 11/12 and it looks like we "lack gcalscorers" because there is no one player who picks up the slack?
     
  18. darcgun

    darcgun Member+

    Jan 11, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Exactly. I don't get then how we lack goal scoring ability.
     
  19. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    We didn't play badly in either of the Chelsea games - dominated both only to be undone by MOTM displays by Cech, two moments of terrible defending at home, and two moments of awful refereeing at the Bridge.

    We plays pretty well at the Etihad though. The games against Man United were pretty awful though.
     
  20. TxTechGooner

    TxTechGooner we're having fun here, no?

    Feb 24, 2003
    27 matches we scored zero or 1 goal.
     
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  21. darcgun

    darcgun Member+

    Jan 11, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    So because of bad luck, we can't score goals, even though our GF in 12/13 was the 3rd highest of out 20 teams?

    Is it me, or is this argument based on shaky logic?
     
  22. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Plenty of people have answered this question.

    Phishy above your post has one answer. Somebody else posted earlier that we scored half of our league goals in 7 matches. 7! That means we scored the other half in the other 31.
     
  23. antifan

    antifan Member+

    Aug 14, 2004
    The Scottie
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyone who watched could see we weren't creating as many chances as we had in years past.
     
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  24. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Not really the argument I was responding to - I was responding to the comment that we played poorly against the other top teams. While the results are obviously bad, we're talking about a very small sample: six matches, and a certain amount of luck can creep in.

    Back to the topic at hand: we obviously weren't good enough at scoring goals last year. As phishy said, we scored zero or one in 27 matches. Also, we drew 10 games. Those are far more telling stats than being third in the league in scoring. We simply didn't create enough changes last season, and weren't clinical enough in putting away the chances we did create.

    The problem is consistently creating the chances to get that first goal, and then getting the second. We weren't very good at that. We were great at getting from two to four or five - the counter was superb (though that teams are willing to get that far forward against us is a little scary). But the potency of the attack has to be measured by getting the first two goals, when the game is fairly even. And last year's squad wasn't good enough in that area.
     
  25. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not if you look at variance in goals per game. There were many games (27 it seems) in which we struggled to score goals. Even this year, better finishing would have meant another 2 goals against Villa and maybe another one against Spurs.
     

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