Welcome Mesut Ozil! The Gunners nation salute you!

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  1. R9Kevinr9

    R9Kevinr9 Member+

    Feb 2, 2007
    ATX
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    El Salvador


    Love this interview. These guys have it spot on.

    "Soldado, who gives a fvck? Lamela who are you?" - QUALITY
     
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  2. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
  3. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    o_O

    I don't think I've ever seen so many tap ins. It's crazy. I know that you shouldn't put too much stock in youtube highlights, but that was a LOT of tap ins - there were almost no replays in that video.

    When Fabregas left, I felt like we'd never get a player that good again. This makes me wonder if Ozil might actually be better than Fabregas. Ozil doesn't have much of a right foot apparently, but the sheer range of passing was absurd.
     
  4. MisplacedSpainard

    Apr 5, 2007
    Silver Spring, MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I think Cesc and Ozil are different. Ozil seems to dribble and attract more defenders in before releasing a kill pass for another player. Cesc I feel found the pass much deeper and just slid it in (not that ozil cant do this himself). If you look at past footage you may understand where I am going with this but perhaps i am not explaining it well enough. Both are good plain and simple.
     
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  5. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    ozil is better than cesc, simple as
     
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  6. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    He's certainly better on the ball, but some of the quick passing that Fabregas did just flat out took your breath away. I think Ozil might be better, but Fabregas's vision and touch of pass are simply extraordinary.

    Now, if we could somehow come up with a way to combine the two....
     
  7. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think the styles are different, and that certain players are better-suited for certain situations. In a straight-up "who would I rather have on my team", I'd edge towards Özil, but I'm biased.
     
  8. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I can see why anyone would think that, even without bias. I just want both to be at Arsenal.
     
  9. VAComet85

    VAComet85 Member

    Dec 23, 2007
    Tampa Bay, FL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The first minute alone of that video showed more creativity than anyone else in the Prem could exhibit in an entire career save for maybe 1 or 2 players. Im trying not to get carried away but having Ozil here, if the suits play it right with further transfers and so on, could usher in an exceedingly bright era for the club.
     
  10. bigtimebuck4

    bigtimebuck4 Member

    Oct 10, 2004
    Could they play together? I would be willing to find out, especially if Cesc's buy back is only 25m GBP
     
  11. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    I don't watch a lot of Real except their CL and of course the Classicos but Ozil is the closest thing to Zidane actually.
     
  12. crazy150

    crazy150 Member+

    Aug 27, 2006
    North Cuba
    Saw this while lurking in the Madrid forum...notice the comments

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  13. IU Gooner

    IU Gooner Member+

    Feb 8, 2009
    Chicago
    Outside of supposed marketing value, I still don't understand what RM is thinking.
     
  14. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great comments from Bobby Mc Mahon. His Ozil's analysis is spot on.

    "For every well considered article on Özil’s move to Arsenal there seems to be four or five that leave you wondering if the writers and commenters understand the game let alone watch Arsenal on a regular basis. Don’t we need a goalkeeper, a new centre back or that mythical player the ball winning defensive enforcer who can also play box to box? All have been laid out in pieces and comments that question whether the Özil deal was the right one.

    Here is where the naysayers are wrong.

    Players such as Özil come along very rarely. And it is not a case of Arsenal not having holes to fill or depth in certain positions that might be lacking. But Özil is the type of player that will make everyone around him a better player.

    He can pick and deliver a pass that most of us cannot even see; his ability to find space where little exists and his overall composure on the ball means that he is a constant threat.
    That will create more space for others and with improved ball retention perhaps defending against counter attacks will be less of a concern.

    There is no such thing as a risk free transfer but when you consider the current market and the money that recently exchanged for less talented players then Özil is a bargain.

    If there are any Arsenal fans harboring doubts then perhaps the quote being attributed to Jose Mourinho about his concern over Arsenal challenging since signing Ozil might allay their fears "

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymc...g-mesut-ozil-2013-and-dennis-bergkamp-1995/2/
     
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  15. voltman

    voltman Member

    Mar 26, 2008
    I'm already starting to feel bad for Bale.
     
  16. goonermaui

    goonermaui Arsenal No Ka 'Oi

    May 12, 2006
    Lahaina Maui
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  17. Eddie

    Eddie Member+

    Oct 19, 2005
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Congrats guys, you got a WONDERFUL player.

    I was cheering for you guys this season in the EPL, Ozil just helps it.


    p.s Beware of Papa Ozil.
     
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  18. darcgun

    darcgun Member+

    Jan 11, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    lol.. All I care is that we got Ozil.

    Though Bale played for "them", good for him. He's playing at the biggest club in the world and is to date the most expensive professional footballer ever.
     
  19. darcgun

    darcgun Member+

    Jan 11, 2008
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Just his mind games. Arsene is no intellectual weakling himself, so I doubt he'd take the bait.
     
  20. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    im going to wait for Özil to play a game first before I say that.

    But damn, Özil looks facking special.
     
  21. lamb

    lamb Member+

    Sep 3, 2004
    Larne, N.Ireland
    that's a poor article. there's nothing wrong with most of the second part, but it bears little in way of a link to viewpoints put forward in the first part he is using it to argue against. it's really 2 separate and unconnected viewpoints rolled into 1 piece.
    is bobby mcmahon really telling us ozil will make our cb's and keepers better players and provide depth in those other positions? in the first part, is he really going against the much better and experienced wisdom of many, many ex-players who also say, while ozil is an truly excellent signing, that we are still short, with most saying at least "defender" and "striker"?
     
  22. crazy150

    crazy150 Member+

    Aug 27, 2006
    North Cuba
    Ya, I kind of felt that way, but hey it's totally up to him to win them over. All he has to do is knock in the goals and they will love him...simples. I'll be curious if he settles fast enough though...mesut will have an easier time with a
    Ready speaking some English and having Per and Pod around.
     
  23. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Lamb, I really suggest you read it again. His point is pretty clear. Simply put, say that Ozil is a super talent and is too good to pass up. Talent like that will make everyone around them better.
    That goes against some pundits and fans opinions, stating that Ozil while good, is not really what AFC need.
     
  24. lamb

    lamb Member+

    Sep 3, 2004
    Larne, N.Ireland
    so he IS saying ozil will improve our keepers and defenders? hmm. i'm curious as to how he thinks that will happen. all he says is that we will rarely ever let the opposition have the ball to attack with. it's quite obvious how it would improve midfield play and attack in general, but to suggest defence will improve solely by better attack is dubious, especially when we already usually retain so much possession and have done for years anyway.
    as i said, no one is saying ozil isn't a great signing. i'm sure a very small number think we should have signed for other positions and NOT signed ozil, but that number must be very few and far between.
    the general opinion from what i have read and heard is that a couple of other positions needed sorted out anyway, regardless of ozil signing, but that's not what bobby mcmahon is suggesting is being said (in general). he is suggesting ozil is the answer to squad depth, to solidity in defence, to competition within the team in all positions, to cutting out errors, to every problem anyone has ever said about the squad.
    like i mentioned, he has linked together 2 very disparate points, exaggerating one way beyond anything i have come across, with only a slight overlap justifying the link and a poor explanation of why 1 negates the other.
     
  25. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He did not say or even suggest that Ozil will improve Keeper and defenders as individuals players (even though there is a point to be made there as well). However, one can easily understand where he is coming from. He is saying that a player of Ozil quality will improve the team as a whole. This is fact that is valid for all team sports.

    Anyway, what I read is totally differently from your conclusions. I have heard / read the comments he is referring to before (Ozil is not what AFC needs etc.., the club need a DM more than a AM etc..) and he specifically responding to these opinions.
     

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