EPL Officially to NBC

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  1. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    Anyone seeing the games in on demand on Comcast this morning? I didn't see any of the 10AM eastern games live, and they've yet to appear.

    Once providers get Extra Time working properly, I think that's a preferable solution to FSC's replays. The people who want to watch live can, and the people who want to watch later can record them (or if on comcast, watch them via on demand).

    Now, if your provider doesn't carry Extra Time, well, there's always problems like that. I *think* some providers didn't get around to having FSC on HD, it took some providers a long time to pick up beIN, etc.

    Minor issues aside, NBC's commitment to EPL has been stunning.
     
  2. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They bumped F1 qualifying for the EPL this morning (it's airing on NBCSN on delay, and was live online).
     
  3. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    Yay, four 10AM games just appeared in on demand...
     
  4. Non-dairy Creamer

    Feb 28, 2007
    they're showing 3 games live on Saturday, one on NBC, and one on Sunday, that's 4, plus a Monday or Wednesday game when appropriate.

    This (3day) weekend that'll be 5 live matches with Mondays United/Chelsea - half of the league games.

    I don't even have Extra Live channels on Charter and the Live extra streaming I can't get on right now due to a problem with logging in, but with NBC having full rights and their pick of the litter all the best teams and games are being shown even without resorting to the channels and streaming.

    So that's pretty cool for me. Now if they could supplement it with a bit of either Bundesliga/Serie A/La Liga/ for diversity that'd be great.
     
  5. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    TWC does not provide it in my region. So far I have only heard that it is available on TWC systems in Western New York and Dallas.
    Uh, no I'm entitled to something that I do pay for... NBC doesn't charge extra for the channels or the live app. TWC doesn't carry it everywhere because it is difficult to get new channels added across their entire lineup when they are already running low on available HD channel space. That is why I mentioned how they used MSNBC, etc for overflow with the Olympics and NHL playoffs. Because that makes more sense to me. And if they used those everyone would be able to watch every game. And yes, I do subscribe to the TWC "Sports Pass" which provides me with FS+ and BeIn Sport among other channels.
    Saying this is like saying back when it was on FSC that people need to stop complaining about the terrible talking heads. People are entitled to have an opinion about what they like. If nobody ever complained then things would never get better.
    DVRs can not record channels that I don't get. Try again. Seriously, I'm not complaining that all the games are live/broadcast simultaneously. My problem is they are inaccessible and people's solution here seems to be "change your provider." But that is not a solution for everyone. NBC screwed up with the release of the extra channels. Even when you get them, people on Comcast have complained about how they are in the on-demand section. You can go back through this thread and see that.
    Finally someone gets it! Thank you.
    Exactly. It can take a long time for these channels to get picked up. I do believe TWC will offer it nationally eventually, just like they did with Bein. But it's gonna take a while.
     
  6. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    This is a non sequitur, actually. People tend to DVR soccer games more because they're more likely to be at work or asleep when the game is live. These people are not going to be spoiled by other scores being shown during the match they DVR'd. Its the ones that want to watch all 10 EPL games in a weekend and/or all 16 CL games in a matchday that might get spoiled. But these people are few and far between. And there is no reason to think there are more of them than there are people who also want to watch all NFL games on a Sunday.

    So I see no reason why such soccer fans should be catered to while similarly-minded NFL fans are not, nor are they expecting networks to cater to them.
     
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  7. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    I see no reason why the opinions of a minority should be not only dismissed but subject to ridicule just because you (the general you) does not agree with it. Especially when what is being suggested would have no negative impact on those that do not share the opinion in this modern age when you can find out scores of other games quickly and easily from many different mediums.
     
  8. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    But I can't check those other mediums if I'm watching on DVR. So it does have negative effect on the majority.
     
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  9. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    Uh... what? :confused:

    How does watching it on the DVR:
    a) Prevent you from checking the scores on other mediums?
    b) Have a negative effect on the majority when your point was the majority don't watch it on the DVR?
     
  10. Redbullsnation2012

    May 26, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    2 people b!tching and moaning because they live in the woods.. :D
     
  11. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    What are you talking about? It only takes DVR'ing a couple morning games, not all 10. I don't think it's that small a number of people that this effects, but I don't really know. Do you? Given Big Soccer's policy about marking threads with "spoiler" markings, it seems this sort of thing is an established practice among at least some soccer fans.

    Further, what is the cost of not running a ticker? With all the smart phones, tablets and PC's around a TV room these days, is there that huge a demand for seeing other scores on the screen, and how does that compare to the number of people who don't want scores spoiled?

    I would hope networks would seek to understand their audience's needs and make their choices accordingly.

    If, like with NFL games, networks decide the need to know scores from other games outweighs the desire of other viewers not to have the scores revealed, I would accept the decision. I wouldn't really have a choice. But that doesn't mean people should not make their preferences known. "Because the NFL does it" is not a sufficient reason. I would hope networks do not assume their soccer audiences are exactly like their NFL audiences.
     
  12. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    I live in the 2nd largest TV market in the United States a.k.a. Los Angeles. But try again. As I said, it's only on TWC's systems in Western New York and Dallas. New York City also has Time Warner in some areas and they don't get the overflow channels either.

    If I lived in the woods, I would probably have one of the satellite providers and need the tickers because I wouldn't have decent internet access. ;)
     
  13. beInSchwartz

    beInSchwartz Member

    Aug 20, 2012
    Club:
    ABC Natal
    That's not accurate. I've had the overflow channels since last week here in NYC.

    I have gotta say that I enjoy the ticker thus far, since it's only on one channel. I will have to avoid NBCSN when it's one of those Saturdays with no 7:45 games and a jumble all at 10am, though. Match of the Day has some issues...it's probably 30 minutes too long and they oddly show the only goal in a 0-1 result as a teaser before the commercial. They also showed very similar montages summarizing the day's action about 15 minutes apart. Maybe technical issues with their cool little telestrator program? Don't see why else they would have a full 2 hour show without using it once.

    I feel a lot of people are blaming NBC when it's the fault of the providers. Kinda crazy that in this year there are still a ton of providers that have issues finding the bandwidth for HD channels.
     
  14. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    #1064 holden, Aug 25, 2013
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2013
    Ah. I hadn't heard that NYC had gotten it. TWC officially only announced that WNY was getting it for the first week, but then people in Dallas said they got it. I guess it's rolling out to other areas now too. It still is not available in the #2 TV market in the US though... but I guess we're just some little backwater nobody's ever heard of. ;)

    I do blame NBC, as it is not completely the fault of the providers. NBC didn't have to decide to put it on special separate channels; they could have used their existing lineup of cable channels. Like I said, they have before for the Olympics and the NHL playoffs. And EPL is still rather niche programming, so providers are less likely to add on special channels just for that than they would something like say the NFL (which the EPL programming oddly keeps getting compared to for some reason...). I think people are deluding themselves a little bit if they think soccer properties have the same priority as other sports. All you have to do is look at how long it took to get FSC and FS+ in HD and BeIn Sports. But when TWC got the NFL Red Zone channel, we had that within days. And sure that is TWC prioritizing one thing over the other which is not NBC's fault, but NBC should be aware of how long these things take (we've known that they got the EPL rights for ages now) and worked to ensure that these channels were widely available well before the start of the season. Anyway, if you go back far enough in the thread, you can see I have blamed TimeWarner for not being prompt in adding these overflow channels across their entire lineup and providing access to the live app, since these do not cost them anything extra. They don't need to negotiate anything, they just just need to add them. Which thankfully it sounds like they are, albeit ever so slowly, doing.
     
  15. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    #1065 BocaFan, Aug 25, 2013
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2013
    Because then I'll also see the score of the match I'm currently watching on DVR.

    Never said that. Just the opposite in fact: I said soccer fans are more likely to use their DVR for games since they're often at work or still asleep during matches due to timezone differences.
     
  16. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    At the end of the day, FOX not only didn't put EPL games on existing channels like FX, Fox Business, etc they also didn't arrange for the special overflow channels. So they did one worse than NBC no matter how much you try to make this look like NBC's fault instead of your cable provider's.
     
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  17. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
    Not a complaint but NBCSN went directly from the end of THFC-SCFC to the added time of the CCFC-MCFC game. Watching main game on DirecTV and the stream of the Cardiff game I was at 91 something. NBCSN joined at 92 something, about 45 seconds later in the match. Needless to say there may have been an event or two take place in the time I hadn't seen yet.

    Thx,

    Jay!
     
  18. Gonzo

    Gonzo Member

    May 28, 1999
    Bloomington, Indiana
    I disagree with you on shifting blame to NBC from the providers. NBC has said from when they decided on doing Extra Time that it would be of no cost to the various providers. I'm not sure what other details are involved, perhaps branding, who is responsible for customer complaints, etc. Anyway, NBC's own parent company, Comcast, has screwed it up for their customers. If the parent company can't get it together, how is that NBC's fault? DIRECTV has done a wonderful job, probably because of their experience with NFL Sunday Ticket.

    I do agree with you in saying that the BPL is still somewhat niche programming. And, in that sense, I can see why NBC decided to go the route of using extra unused channels instead of using CNBC, MSNBC, etc. like they do for the Olympic and Stanley Cup Playoffs.

    The Olympics are a once-every-four-years event. For one month, it's probably one of the better ways for those channels to market themselves by hosting Olympic programming. Similarly, those channels are needed for about a month during the Stanley Cup playoffs. And even then, they're not used every night for hockey due to the NHL helping with scheduling when they can. I'm not sure what contractual obligations those networks have on Saturday and Sunday morning. Obviously, NBC has made the decision to not take over those channels with BPL programming for two mornings over nine months.

    As it is, NBCSN has F1 racing and F1 fans have been a bit miffed with Grands Prix being moved around from NBCSN to CNBC and NBC and back due to scheduling conflicts like the Tour de France earlier this year. The movement across networks has caused confusion for F1 fans. BPL fans don't have to worry about such confusion. Games are going to be on NBCSN, and 20 Saturday late kick-offs on NBC (otherwise on NBCSN, presumably), and the overflow channels. The only drawback is the lack of universal adoption of Extra Time.
     
  19. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    #1069 holden, Aug 25, 2013
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2013
    So.... you don't want spoilers... except when you're watching a game? That's weird. Since you're not watching it live, why not just look at the other scores after the game? That's what I do. I would usually watch the 2-3 matches that I'm interested without getting any spoilers so I could enjoy them all, and then check the scores of the other games online afterwards.


    Ah sorry. My mistake. I thought you were disagreeing with Totoro's post, but upon re-reading it you were not.

    No. I never said Fox did. But they put every game on FSC and FS+ even if not live. And since I don't watch most games live anyway, that doesn't bother me. I would rather be able to watch every game I want to see than not. I can not watch every game now that it's on NBC. How is that an improvement? Why do people keep arguing with me about my own person preference that I'd rather watch every game that I want to see even if it's not live than only be able to watch a couple select games that may or may not interest me live?

    And I never said it was completely NBC's fault and not my provider's (Time Warner Cable). I said I blame both of them. The problem here is that so many people have become NBC apologists because they are happy with how things are, that any complaint about NBC is ridiculed and dismissed. So people took umbrage with my complaints about NBC, while having no problem with my complaints about TWC. Thus all that's left is me defending my NBC complaints. And as I said before, people should be allowed to complain. They do it in every other thread, heck there are threads specifically for complaining about how bad certain things are. And if we're not able to complain, then things will never get better.
     
  20. holden

    holden Member+

    Dundee FC, Yeovil Town LFC, Girondins de Bordeaux
    Oct 20, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Dundee FC
    #1070 holden, Aug 25, 2013
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2013
    I agree with most all you said that I didn't quote. But this quoted part is the exact reason I have a problem with NBC. If they couldn't even get their own parent company to properly carry the channels, then they have a problem. All I am saying is that they had other options (especially for these first couple of weeks) to get every game live. But they choose to put it on these extra channels knowing full well that it would not be a simple process to add them (DirectTV actually has it easier than any cable company, btw. They just add it one place and it's available nationally. Cablecos have to add it individually in each region which is still semi-autonomously run and so it takes a lot longer. I actually think this is part of the reason Comcast went with On-Demand because that could be rolled out faster). Maybe in the long run the extra channels will be better. But at the moment they are a failure. And that is partially NBCs fault.

    Again, I'm not saying it's completely NBC's fault and the providers have no blame. I am saying they both are at fault and both have to share the blame. Please go back and re-read what I wrote with a less jaundiced eye, and you will clearly see I blamed TWC (my provider) in the very message that you quoted.
     
  21. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    Seria A is tied up for a while with beIN. I doubt beIN let's go of La Liga. Bundesliga is probably up for grabs. If beIN decides they want it - NBC won't outbid for the Bundesliga.
     
  22. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    You think soccer is similar to baseball, football or basketball on TV?

    While soccer has made great strides. It is FAR from even being close to those sports.

    They show high school football on ESPN. High school basketball is on cable. They show Little League which is grade school baseball.

    I like soccer - my favorite sport. It isn't even close to the three sports I mentioned.
     
  23. coracaodoporto

    Jan 3, 2012
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Reading comprehension my friend. "if you want soccer to be a top sport"is kind of a dead giveaway for what I meant.
     
  24. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    Just because it is covered like a top sport -as you say - doesn't mean it will be.
    There was nothing wrong with the way FSC presented football. Just because most American fans and networks think people are ADD - doesn't mean a ticker on the bottom will make football a top sport or not in America.

    The North American Soccer League tried a 35 yard offside line, six points for a win, a shoot-out to settle tie games. None of those things worked.

    So Americanizing the game (I have heard making the goal wider for more goals) or putting anAmericanized version of baseball, football, basketball won't change the game.

    The main problem I see in the sport of football in America is getting parents and children who play interested in becoming spectators of football either in person or on TV.

    I know scores of parents whose kids currently play who would never watch an EPL (let alone MLS) game on television or in person.

    Once the child is finished either in high school or college - the family is finished with soccer.

    I guess that is another thread though.
     
  25. jhernandez86

    jhernandez86 Member

    Sep 22, 2004
    Soccer Moms or Dads are not true sport fans, they enroll their kids in the sport because is the happening thing to do. I would not be surprised if this parents are not sport fans, and I do know a few of them.

    Football will at one point popular in this country, because the alternative sports in this could would eventually become to expensive for both networks and cable channels. The game also has a chance of becoming popular because it is currently the number 1 amateur sport practice by kids. But, it will take time.
     

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