Post-match: San Jose Earthquakes - Sporting Kansas City (Sunday, 8/18) postgame thread [R]

Still seems like we are having trouble scoring. Especially when you compare this season to last.

 

Nope, as mangerson said, the player defending Beita kept Wondo on.

 

A lot of SKC and neutral fans watching were complaining about the game being dull and not entertaining. Both defenses were very stingy and the attacks were pretty well stifled by stout defending and persistent fouling. I do want to say that, despite not being all that entertaining, this game was a pretty good example of how teams can play physically without being dirty. SKC fouled a lot, but both teams play a physical game that was about fighting for the ball and not about playing the man or playing dirty or poor sportsmanship etc. The ref had to step in to let Myers and Collin know when they had gone too far, and admittedly, both could have earned a second yellow. Collin for the forearm to Wondo's head and Myers for the late challenge on Alas, but I was ok with the ref keeping his cards in his pockets on both occasions. Myers' challenge on Alas was clearly just a defender getting badly sucked-in by a slick move, not an intent to foul.

SKC fans are still moaning about A) Wondo being offside, and B) the no call on the in the box between Beita and Saad. Ref was absolutely right to not call a PK when Saad went down. First, all that pushing and shoving was totally give and take on both sides, a attacking player can't manhandle a defender in the box and then expect a call when the defender responds in kind just because the attacker goes down (whether by choice of because he lost the wrestling match). Second, there was no way that either player had any hope of reaching that ball anyway. The ref was right to let play continue.

As for the question of whether Wondo was offside on the goal. My initial reaction was that he was like a yard offside, but that turned out to be just a trick of perspective thanks to the camera angle. Seeing a freeze frame it was clear that it was a much tighter decision, so you can see why the assistant ruled it onside. He may have been level, but only just. Still could have been a touch offside so I can sympathize with SKC fans ruing their luck there.

Performance wise, though, SKC didn't deserve anything. They were really ineffective in attack. Their only real chance came when Beita misjudged the flight of a ball and missed it (or got pushed but I don't think so) and Bunbury skied it from 6 yards out. Announcers credited Goodson's intervention but the ref got it right and gave a goal kick because Bunbury skied it; Goodson didn't even block it. SJ had at least a few good chances.

The ref had a really good game if you ask me. Yes he could have sent off both Collin and Myers, but both would have been harsh. I think for a ref overseeing two physical team going to toe-to-toe, he overall made good calls and the yellow cards he did produce set the boundaries pretty clearly.

My MotM is Beita. He made a few mistakes but overall really took command of his side of the field and, with the assist and all his good defensive work, looked to be the most influential player on the field tonight. However, I do not wish to ignore the always excellent but often invisible work of both Bernardez and Cronin. I'd also like to point out that, while it was only really a cameo, Lenhart chalked up what must be his 4th or 5th game in a row with absolutely model behavior. I'm really liking the still hard-working, and hard-fighting but no antics Lenhart. Somebody in the club management definitely told him to cut it out in no uncertain terms.

 

Was the goal offside? Yes it was. Do I care? Not one bit.

 

I touched on this in the in game thread last night but then I was too busy watching to be really be concerned. Seriously though, when I see these ignorant non Quakes fans posting in this (below) thread , especially during a crucial game for no apparent reason, I can't help but think how silly and trivial opposing fans are towards San Jose in general. I mean what exactly are they trying to prove that everyone in San Jose is or acts a certain way or another just because of isolated incidents and if they really hate SJQ as much as they claim to , shouldn't they worry about watching an actual game and seeing or even rooting that they will lose? Simply incredible!


San Jose's Statement on 1906 Ultras
https://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/san-joses-statement-on-1906-ultras.1991745/page-18

 

While it was a victory, nothing changed much. We played the same style.

The defense did well and in general made no mistakes. That made sure we didn't have to chase for a goal or two with our limited attacking plan. Mumma also did less of his tricky and risky stuff.

Our biggest problem is the midfield or how they are told to play. It is so frustrating to watch the CMs to pass back and to the side at the center line again and again. I would even extend this behavior to the forwards. Instead of looking up and spring the other players free with a pass, everyone just takes a touch, and make the safe pass backward. Players who make runs or get to good position are ignored.

This is a mentality thing and becoming a habit.

 

From this view I would judge them to be even, and that goes to the striker.

 

A good and well deserved win. We had more clear cut chances than the Sporks.

I did think the ref was pretty good. He could have sent Myers and Collin off, and I wish he had, but then I think that our league is far too physical in general.

I credit our players much more than our coach for this victory. The guys stepped up when they had to, but our coach almost let us down waiting too damn long to make subs, and then not subbing the right players. He should have pulled Flash around the 60th minute. Chavez and Alas should have been subbed out not later than the 75th minute. Wat(TF) waits too long to make subs. He leaves guy on the pitch who are either spent, or caught up in the tit-for-tat fouling. It's hurt us a couple of times, and I suspect that it will hurt us again later.

Our defense is looking much better with Stewart and Goodson back there. Though Goodson has a tendency to hoof the ball downfield. Also, there were times where Stewart had the ball and was completely mystified that no one was showing for him. We have to get over that idiocy.

I could easily agree that Beita was Man of the Match. He was awesome all game long, up and down the field. (OK, he did make a couple of mistakes, but over all, he was excellent!)

Agree that Alas still needs more time with his teammates. I'm hoping that between Alas, Stewart, and Goodson (and even Walmart) we can raise the soccer IQ of our team and get the guys to play a more skillful, intelligent game, rather than just hoofing the ball long all the time and hoping that we can get a goal.

Most of our guys played pretty well. A few flubs here and there, but both teams pressured all over the field, which led to some hectic futbol.

go quakes!!

- Mark

 

Hey Mark, that was the 16th straight visit to SJ by SKC without a victory.

 

If you draw a straight line between the defender and Wondo, he seems off but so what.....

 

Kelly gray needs to do research before spewing facts. In about the 5th minute he says Jacob Peterson was a part of the trade with TFC that brought over Gordon, and Cronin...Dibley had to correct him and say attakora was a part of that trade...Gray then goes on to say all 4 of them were a part of that trade.

 

Alan Gordon MOTM. He was a monster up top in the target striker role. Collin was visibly frustrated from the first minutes of the game until the end as Gordo thoroughly bested him in the air and on the ground. That frustration should have manifested itself in a red card, but the ref kept that second yellow in his pocket.

Oh and thank you Mr. Soony Saad for shooting everytime you had the ball within 30 yards of goal.

 

If your straight line is the offside line then he would be on wouldn't he?
The angle is not the best to view, it really needs to be another 10 feet or more up field. You also need to take into account that over distance parallel lines will appear to converge (vanishing point). You can't draw a line between the two players and then compare it to the 18 yard line and say "hey, they're not parallel, so he must be offside".

 

Most excellent!

Also, as a rule, when I predict that we are going to get ripped, we win. The only time this has been wrong lately was the game in Wankouver. Again, I fear the worst in FCKD, but I'm pumped and shocked that we pulled off the win against the Sporks!

go quakes!!
Fire Wat(TF)!!

- Mark

 

The perspective from that angle is not a straight line between Wondo and the defender. Looks like he's about even, with his upper body leaning forward, in which case the benefit of the doubt is given to the attacking player. SKC's CBs made the mistake of trying to trap him offside but the LB was farther behind. Textbook Wondo movement and opportunistic score.

 

But look at where the linesman is in comparison to Wondo. Wondo seems to be a 1/2 step ahead of him. If the line is diagonal, then I'd agree but from the angle in that picture, he is offside. The replays last night showed the same thing and the commentators were saying he was off too. Again, I don't care but he was off.

 

Wondo made a great run off Gordon's shoulder but Gordon was too slow & missed the pass. I was unhappy with Gordon's distribution just like you and Wondo!

 

This is why I love Wondo! Isn't he hiding behind Gordon where the lineman can't see him properly!? SMART PLAYER.

 

This is the first game in 2013 where I see Beta back to being 100% healthy. Plus, Chavez and Beta worked
extremely well together on the Right hand side.

 

Plus, Big Vic is returning to being a beast lie in 2012. was it an injury or $$ issue?

 

If that is the case and if he saw it, couldn't the ref have called Gordon off? I know this passive offside rule exists but still if a forward impedes the GK's view and if that forward is already in an offside position ,this would cause both Gordon & Wondo to be offside, correct?

 

Anyone willing to trade a new Wondo bobble for something like a playoff strip signed by The Joe, Jeff Agoos, Ariel Graziani and Judas? Or maybe I can find a JC bobble...

It's needed for the Quakes North Carolina office...

Thanks,

Mike

 

The camera angle from center field doesn't do the angle justice... Wondo was probably even with the defender but I can't tell from that angle. The ref was in position but it was a broken play so who knows where he was looking an when.

 

Not to mention the ref is in perfect position.

 

I sent a PM.