are you kidding around? On RSL's second goal, which Plata scored, Saborio wasn't effecting the play not to mention that at least 2 Portland defenders were keeping him onside. RSL's first goal that Saborio scored was a little closer call but he was still onside. Both were fairly simple no-calls.
huh? did you watch the video? He received the pass after coming back from an offside position. Should have been called prior to the pass back to Plata and shot.
If there is no defender at the bottom of the picture, you're right. Nine of the ten Portland field players are in the photo. The tenth? If you look at where the AR is standing, you might infer that he is level with the other defender on the far side. Or not - but you simply cannot make a definitive statement about him being offside or not based on a still that does not capture the entire defense.
The missing player is Jose Valencia, a forward. From that I'll infer that the assistant ref was poorly positioned to make the correct call.
my bad! I didn't realize which part of the play you were referring to. I watched it again and it was awful close - body of Saborio is slightly past the last non-goalkeeper defender who I believe was Jean-Baptiste....BUT Jean-Baptiste has his arm draped on the back of Saborio when the ball was kicked. So maybe that arm reached back and placed on the back of Saborio negates the fact that Saborio's stomach was farther downfield than Jean-Baptiste's stomach was. I forget what the FIFA interpretation is for judging overlap.
I don't understand your inference. Valencia is probably down on the other side of the field. AR was right in line with Saborio and Jean-Baptiste. So even if he got it wrong he was perfectly positioned to make the call.
Only parts of the body that can legally play the ball (i.e. not arms) count when judging offside. If any part of the attackers body that he can use to legally play the ball is closer to the goal than every part of the defenders body that can legally play the ball, he is offside. In this instance, that means the arm on the back is ignored, and the player is offside.
RSL is hosting the final. I know that they will get a full house. ALso, I think RSL will be taking the cup competitions seriously in the future. And I think other clubs will be doing the same.
Interesting. thanks for the explanation. I watched it again. It looks like at the moment of Beckerman's pass there might have been some slight overlap of (1) Saborio's slightly bended right knee and (2) Jean-Baptiste's thigh.
To me it's not completely clear that Beckerman is actually the one that played the ball. It looks like a Portland player coming in from behind may have been the one to knock that ball backwards while trying to beat Beckerman to it, in which case it wouldn't matter that Saborio was in an offside position. I'm guessing that's what the AR saw, or thought he saw. The fact that Beckerman really doesn't follow through with his kick, the slow weight of the pass and the seemingly slow reaction of everyone to get to the ball makes it seem more likely to me that the Portland player actually played that ball. But it could also be that Beckerman played it but the Portland player got a deflection, which would mean offsides should have been called.
The only thing was a basis in your post is that RSL is hosting the final. What makes you think your other assessments are true?
OK! Thanks for the guidance here. I realized that slight overlap doesn't matter if most of Saborio is further downfield than Jean-Baptiste. Definitely should have been an offside call.
While I do believe that RSL will be able to get a capacity crowd, I dont think there is any guarantee of it. The Open Cup is basically a qualification tournament for the CCL at this point, so it's final is far from the importance of the final for the tournament you are qualifying for.
Is that how people are talking about it? Maybe it's just that KC as a city is just starved for champions on the whole, but the team and the fans and the city celebrated the heck out of the Open Cup. It's silverware, man! Plenty of clubs don't have any--folks should take pride in every piece of true competitive silverware they win.
Really? The whole city celebrated? As in, if you drive more than 3 blocks from the stadium you could see people knowing that KC won? Not saying its not the case, but in LA. the Galaxy winning the MLS Cup at home was a total non-event just a few blocks from the stadium.
What I like about the Open Cup is that it is the embodiment of US Soccer history. It is the oldest soccer club competition in the US that is still currently active. Division I's have come and gone but the Open Cup has been there through it all...