Wahl's MLS Ambition Rankings

Discussion in 'Philadelphia Union' started by derek750, Jan 3, 2013.

  1. drewuke

    drewuke Member+

    Jul 19, 2012
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    We are if you consider most of the teams in the league 'small-market', which they are.
     
  2. Tyr

    Tyr Member+

    Nov 7, 2009
    Lawrenceville
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    At this point, it would be a semantic argument and not the basis for excusing the F.O.'s bad decision making.

    I find it hard to believe the league's leader in merchandise sales is a small market. We just have poor owners.
     
  3. Billy Zabka

    Billy Zabka Member+

    May 4, 2006
    RoFo, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It really comes down to how committed the ownership is to build something special here that fans can be proud of. I dont expect the Union to splash cash around like LA, NY, Seattle, Toronto and (soon) NYCFC. But you can be plenty successful as "small market" in MLS, and there's absolutely no reason that we can't be every bit the success that teams like SKC and RSL are, and that comes down to how savvy the organization and coaching staff is in building the team.

    They've made their fair share of smart moves (trades that landed Jack and Amobi, Mondragon/Valdes, Casey, etc) and dumb moves (Adu, Soumare "laughable" LB) that the jury's still out at this point IMO.
     
  4. Tyr

    Tyr Member+

    Nov 7, 2009
    Lawrenceville
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We need to stop being so trigger shy on the international market. RSL and SKC add real talent and real improvements from abroad.
     
  5. CopaMundial

    CopaMundial Member

    Sep 11, 2006
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    *confused... not sure how to pronounce that.
    :thumbsdown:
     
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  6. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When your scouts double as members of your coaching staff, have limited reach when it comes to their scouting radii (colleges, lower divisions, etc), and your "highly touted" scouting director - or whatever the eff his title is - is nonexistent, there's not really a whole lot you CAN do internationally. That said, similar to the DP-signing argument, I don't think dipping into the international market is a proven means of success.
     
  7. derek750

    derek750 Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just to be clear, I wasn't endorsing the author's conclusions. I just hadn't seen the article posted here yet and thought it might spark some interesting debate. And it did!
     
  8. Phillyspur

    Phillyspur Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Mar 18, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I don't agree with categorizing 'market size' according to how much you spend on players. Market size to me is more about income than expenditure. I'd like to see a league table of income / revenue, covering tickets, merchandising, TV contracts, sponsorships... but that is probably all super-secret knowing MLS. We'd be higher up the order in that.

    This ranking as it stands is maybe more about ambition, as per the original thread title. But it's hard to distinguish between the mass of teams that stay close to the salary cap.
     
  9. jess370

    jess370 Member+

    Feb 14, 2008
    collingswood
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    But we still don't know if this dude is just hanging out on a beach drinking beer and staring at chicks.....OR actually working to find players and the owners/coaching staff not wanting to spend the money on them or not thinking they fit into what the team is trying to do....
     
  10. LINETRASH

    LINETRASH Member+

    Jul 19, 2011
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Sunderland AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anybody have the MLS salary chart and where we come out......If we are truly one of the best supported teams, do you think the FO will raise ticket prices to create funds for more salary room? If I was an owner I think I would be looking at that as an option....Testing fans loyalty can be a dicey plan though.

    The Yankees are in a huge market and spend a pant load on players...same with Phillies and West Coast teams.....seem to go hand in hand with me. The more money you make the more you can spend. If the Union are making a killing and not putting it back into the organization then they are doing the fans a disservice.....I don't think they're doing that, I think they have debt they're trying to pay off.....hence very frugal..
     
  11. UnionBulldog

    UnionBulldog Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Ridley Park
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One person commented on the article seemed to think the Union were turning a small profit (I would think it is unlikely cause we are so new and have the startup costs) and were trying to attract more partners to increase the available cash flow. Because of the desire for deeper pockets they weren't spending yet because they want to use the fact that money is being made so quickly.

    I can't entirely disagree with that thought process as deeper pocketed owners (Wolverine?) with different type of clout than the current stable could in turn bring in more money. If they are making a decent profit with no desire to attract additional partners and things like paving the parking lots are being overlooked then I will be irate to say the least.
     
  12. LINETRASH

    LINETRASH Member+

    Jul 19, 2011
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Sunderland AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Financial issues aside, the Union need to re-think their scouting network also....if we're going to work within a budget, than we need someone very clever, has an eye for talent and knows how to broker a deal. Hack loves Danny Cruz, so Hacks out....going by Zman Gunner posts, he's probably better than the whole Union staff!
     
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  13. TonyClarkDOOP

    TonyClarkDOOP Member+

    Jun 18, 2010
    Oxford, United Kingdom
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Zman is actually Hackworth and is trolling you all. How could you doubt Hack's abilities?
     
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  14. EmeraldDawn

    EmeraldDawn Member+

    May 11, 2008
    Brick, NJ
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's not Hack. Look at his avatar for chrissakes.
     
  15. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  16. TonyClarkDOOP

    TonyClarkDOOP Member+

    Jun 18, 2010
    Oxford, United Kingdom
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thats what he wants you to think.
     
  17. LuckyStriker

    LuckyStriker Member+

    Favorite club? a German one..........
    Apr 14, 2010
    in exile-Statute of Limitations yet to expire
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The rich get richer. The poor just get Ricardoed...............
     
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  18. EmeraldDawn

    EmeraldDawn Member+

    May 11, 2008
    Brick, NJ
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. LuckyStriker

    LuckyStriker Member+

    Favorite club? a German one..........
    Apr 14, 2010
    in exile-Statute of Limitations yet to expire
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Isn't that Fulham's problem now?
     
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  20. EmeraldDawn

    EmeraldDawn Member+

    May 11, 2008
    Brick, NJ
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    God, that mustache is majestic.
     
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  21. derek750

    derek750 Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shouldn't someone at MLS have asked the prospective Union owners this question?
     
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  22. BuddhaWake

    BuddhaWake Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Philadelphia
    does it really take millions to pave a lot? I doubt it.
     
  23. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rule of thumb, somewhere between $3k-$5k PER SPACE to pave a surface parking lot.

    There's easily more than 200 spots in Lot A, so on the high side you're looking at AT LEAST $1M.
     
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  24. UnionDues

    UnionDues Member+

    Aug 16, 2011
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps, but parking lots are tax deductible - although it may not matter since the Union does not like to pay its taxes (or payments in lieu of taxes :sneaky:).
     
  25. SmashtheVan

    SmashtheVan Member+

    Jan 13, 2009
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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    Hasn't that been disproven a few times over? But I mean, we wouldn't want to force you into being an honest journo...
     
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