Who is the next National Team manager...honestly.

Discussion in 'Portugal: National Teams' started by wtf_SCOLARI!!, Feb 11, 2008.

  1. santos6

    santos6 New Member

    Feb 25, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    A national team job is not that glamorous as a big club, you are always chasing clubs for players for friendlies, under the hot seat of a WHOLE nation. I think the FPF has burnt Queiroz in the past as well at least I get that feeling by the way he speaks of the National team.
     
  2. quinas1139

    quinas1139 New Member

    Sep 18, 2007
    NJ & PA
    I understand its not as glamorous, or I should say being a NT coach is only glamorous for one month every two years but a guy that loves his country would always pick the NT first.

    And yes things between Quieroz and Madail arent good (or werent good). Quieroz told it like it is after the 1993 lose to Italy and then got fired.
     
  3. JG7470

    JG7470 Member

    Oct 17, 2007
    USA, CT
    Quinas can you elaborate on Quieroz and Madail?
     
  4. quinas1139

    quinas1139 New Member

    Sep 18, 2007
    NJ & PA
    When Quieroz was hired to manage the senior team (Madail wasnt the president yet but he was head of something else within the FPF) his job was to rebuild the team which was a smart choice since he had won the 89 & 91 youth championships so he would be the perfect guy to transition those players to the senior team. But when he would get critized by the public & media for using such young players no one from the FPF backed him up.

    Then as Portugal was getting close to actually qualifying for the 94WC, needing to beat Italy in the last game, people from within the FPF starting interfering with Quieroz's work. One example is the week before the Italy match Quieroz had to cancel a days training because the FPF had scheduled the national team to do a commercial for the new NT sponsor. The players were so pissed that the next day they wore their training shirts inside out so as not to reveil the sponsors name as a type of protest. There were other cases of these types of things going on, just as it had in 1986 before the World Cup (the Santillo inccident).

    So after the 1-0 loss to Italy Quieroz said something like "if this shit doesnt change Portugal is never gonna get anywhere" and he said it on live tv if I recall.

    Quieroz also critized Madail for having Portugal train in Mozambique before the 2002 WC and for other things and Madail always says the Quieroz should just worry about his own team.
     
  5. santos6

    santos6 New Member

    Feb 25, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Ahhh I was only 12 in 94 but reading that sparked a memory. OF an offside goal that made us stay home from the 94 World Cup.
     
  6. quinas1139

    quinas1139 New Member

    Sep 18, 2007
    NJ & PA
    I was 15! I remember Couto getting red carded as usual....
     
  7. JG7470

    JG7470 Member

    Oct 17, 2007
    USA, CT
    Isn't this cancer(Madail) supposed to be leaving with Scolari?
     
  8. santos6

    santos6 New Member

    Feb 25, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I hope we get a nice attack minded coach after Scolari.
     
  9. quinas1139

    quinas1139 New Member

    Sep 18, 2007
    NJ & PA
    No, I think he just got re-elected.
    And I dont know if hes a cancer or not.
    He has done some good things like getting the 2004 Euro to be played in Portugal but internal mgmt wise he leaves some things to be desired.
     
  10. portugal#1

    portugal#1 Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    That Scolari guy....he sucks.
     
  11. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    always makes me laugh how much hate this guy got from some sections of Portuguese fans
     
  12. J.P.

    J.P. Member

    Oct 31, 2012
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Who the hell hated on Scolari and why?
     
  13. wtf_SCOLARI!!

    wtf_SCOLARI!! Member

    Nov 21, 2007
    I guess this is a good question for me to respond too lol. First off let me say that, anyone on this forum can most likely lead Brazil to some silverware.

    Regarding the Scolari question, that bum is the sole reason I began posting on these forums as you can tell by my name. I think it started after we lost the Euro final. I'm not going to say I hate the guy because I DO appreciate what he has done for Portugal. I just want to point out that I think he is not a great coach. He is best suited for quick touneys where he uses his EXCELLENT motivational skills to bring out the best in his players. Once he is in a club environment you will quickly notice his absence in tactical abilities. My main beef with him is he never had a Plan B when coaching Portugal and always relied on the same tactics (wing play and more wing play.) If we went down a goal, he had no idea what to do, (this fact is masked by Brazil never having going down a goal in a major tourney that he coached them but if they did, you would see what I mean.)

    Any decent coach would have learned from their mistakes after facing Greece in the first game (you have to attack them through the middle) but this guy learned nothing and still chose to use the wings for the WHOLE game for the final. Yes he took us to the final but he also lost us the final, a once in a lifetime oppurtunity on home soil.

    My next BIGGEST beef with this buffoon was Euro 2008. Where do I start?
    He already completely handicapped us by not calling up our BEST Player come Tournament time Maniche. Why you say, dip in form? No he was still in form, only Scolari knows why. Well that right there lost us the tourney.

    We open the tourney with 2 wins and then what does this sack of potatoes do? Yes my friends HE announces he is quitting the team for Chelsea after the tourney is over (sigh) What happens next? Yes, we lose our next two games and are out while Big Pototato goes to Chelsea for his paycheck.

    This is what irritated me about this guy.

    FORCA POTATO
     
  14. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    WOW blast from the past.

    Our nightmare was Queiroz. We could of beat Spain if we actually attacked them in 2010. We lost on an offside that was there best we saved our best for a friendly. At least at the Euro we showed some Garra.
    LOL Prophet!
    GD tells no lies.
    Queiroz was at least better then him or Peseiro. Bento's problem is he lost his new car smell.
     
  15. portugal#1

    portugal#1 Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    I always liked Scolari. He is a legend. I thought he got a lot of flack for what he did for the NT. Funny how all our recent former NT managers are successful right now and Portugal isn't even qualified in an otherwise easy qualfiying group. Scolari came to brazil and that NT was in bad shape, and all of a sudden they're back to being world beaters and thoroughly dominating the world cup champions in a 3-0 victory that should have been way more. The guy can coach, simple as that. Brazil appreciates him, sad that we didn't because now we're stuck with mediocrity at the Head coach position.
     
  16. Area 51

    Area 51 Member+

    Sep 5, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Scolari also coached portugals best team in recent memory.

    I'll never forgive him for losing vs Greece in 04 and not taking quaresma and begging rui costa out of retirement in 06

    Two impact subs that would have made all the difference....against a france that closed up shop and were holding on taking henry and ribery off. We had no on to make a difference out of the starting 11: hugo viana and boa ********ing morte?!

    Vs Greece Portugal played exactly how they played versus Greece in the first match, and played how every team played against Greece in that tournament

    For God sakes..offer them something different, throw their arrayed lines of defense into confusion by changing the lineup or formation a bit( I would have started two strikers, or possibly two playmakers)

    At the very least, when Miguel was injured, send on either nuno gomes or rui costa!!!

    The way the game was going at that point was clear for everyone to see and a change was needed because Deco was getting followed around by Katsouranis AND the other holding midfielder, figo and Ronaldo were played tight, so we never got the ball in dangerous areas.
     
  17. puertorricane

    puertorricane Red Card

    Feb 4, 2012
    Carolina PR
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    So Scolari takes portugal farther than they ever been at the euros and people complain because he didnt win it and they call him a bad coach.



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  18. portugal#1

    portugal#1 Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    For once I can agree with you. Pure insanity.
     
  19. Figo_7

    Figo_7 Member

    Feb 7, 2007
    because he had the most talented portuguese team of all time. Then he decides to sign for chelsea during the euro in 2008 and we lose our next 2 games. In the end victory is all that matters and we won nothing.

    Bento did alright in the last euro with a less talented squad but still I want us to win something.
     
  20. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They lost the championship at home to Greece.
     
  21. puertorricane

    puertorricane Red Card

    Feb 4, 2012
    Carolina PR
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil

    So what if it was at home... still no coach has taken portugal as far as Scolari took them so he is the most successful coach in Portugal's history bar none.



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  22. Area 51

    Area 51 Member+

    Sep 5, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    He only took us so far because of the players. best assembly of players of modern times.

    the starting lineup in 04/06 was made by mourinho with the obvious world class players filling in the gaps.

    take a look at the times scolari had to construct a Portugal team without them...then you have the hilarious qualification for 08 and losing to Germany in comedic fashion ensuing. not to mention the opening loss in 04 where half the country knew what the 11 should be except scolari.
     
  23. puertorricane

    puertorricane Red Card

    Feb 4, 2012
    Carolina PR
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Oh ok so it was because of the players then, so why hasnt any other coach been able to repeat a euro final or semifinal at the world cup like Scolari did. The current Portuguese generation is a lot better than what scolari had at his disposal.


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  24. portugal#1

    portugal#1 Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    or......Scolari was a good manager? You're completely discrediting everything he did. Portugal was never at its peak like it was in 04 and 06. And before you say Portugal had the best players ever in those 2 tournaments, you still need a manager to solidify the core and Scolari did that. The drop off from scolari to CQ was massive. You can argue the 06 team was a team on its last legs...guys like Costinha, Maniche, Nuno Valente, Fernando Meira vanished off the face of the earth after that tournament and guys like Figo and Pauleta retired. Do we not give scolari credit for invigorating a clearly old side to massively over achieving in 2006? Sounds like a tad bit hypocritical.
     
  25. Figo_7

    Figo_7 Member

    Feb 7, 2007
    Scolari was a good manager, maybe the best manager we've ever had but its not saying much. If he was so great no matter which players he had at his disposal, why was our Euro 2008 performance so bad without Costinha, Maniche, Figo and Pauleta? and why the hell did he start Simao over Quaresma??? even Nani was better when he came on.
     

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