Ba! Don't be so Schurrlish - The Chelsea Transfer Thread

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  1. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    With Mourinho around, I very much doubt it. I'd make a joke about taking a first purchase option on one of your younger players if we do loan him to you......but I don't know enough about your side at the moment to know whom we'd want. :eek: (No thank you to Balotelli, by the way :))
     
  2. canzano55

    canzano55 Member+

    Jun 23, 2003
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    If that's the case then its definitely a no brainer.

    I also don't relate to this consensus that Reus is discernibly 'better' than Schurrel.
     
  3. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Reus has certainly performed a level higher than Schürrle this season, and also last season. If you look at the goals and assists stats, Reus' are superior to Schürrle's. Reus is a undisputed starter in the German NT, Schürrle's been on the periphery ever since EURO 2012. I'm not sure how you conclude that Reus isn't the superior player.
     
  4. canzano55

    canzano55 Member+

    Jun 23, 2003
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    From an investment stand-point its not so clear cut. Schurrel is 22 and for all we know he's only just scratched the surface of his potential.

    I also don't think the German NT starting 11 is set in stone right now. You have a collection of supremely talented midfielders and only 3-4 starting slots - a lot could happen in a year.
     
  5. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    True, but for all we know he's an early bloomer who's already reached his ceiling. We don't know.

    Can't say I disagree, but Reus definitely has a more comfortable position in the NT than Schürrle. Agree to disagree, perhaps?
     
  6. canzano55

    canzano55 Member+

    Jun 23, 2003
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I'd say that the German NT isn't a real indicator of much. Goetze didn't play a whole lot in the last tourney, now look at him.
     
  7. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
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    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    He was recovering from an injury at the time, and displacing a 2010 World Cup Golden Boot Winner in Müller or a world-class number 10 in Özil ain't exactly the easiest.
     
  8. Blueallthru

    Blueallthru Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    May 15, 2012
    The Interwebz
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Jfranse that was more or less my point. I think your looming into it too much. Who's to say KDeB had any emotional tie to 14. Plus he played all of 3 or 4 preseason matches for Chelsea. And who knows, perhaps Romeu will leave on loan and KDeB will get #6.
     
  9. Cletis

    Cletis Member+

    Jul 12, 2006
    Milwaukee, WI
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    A German friend of mine had the same reaction - was baffled by CFC's interest in Marin at the time. Many here say he didn't get a fair shot, but that's from our limited perspective as fans from the barstool. Certainly, he had an opportunity to prove himself in training and exhibition matches, and in the end was behind nearly every midfielder on the team. Rafa preferred Yossi on several important occasions this past season, which is pretty damning evidence imo.
     
  10. cr7torossi

    cr7torossi Member+

    May 10, 2007
    Reus is miles better than Schurrle. Even Draxler is.
     
  11. canzano55

    canzano55 Member+

    Jun 23, 2003
    Toronto
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I see German fans haven't stopped tooting that horn.

    Not to say he isn't a very good player but the way Bund fans talk about him you'd think he's the second coming of Beckenbauer.
     
  12. slipereypete

    slipereypete BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2003
    Gig Harbor, WA, USA
    cool man
     
  13. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Relax, we're just overcompensating for his underratedness in the rest of the world. I remember a discussion on BS around who was better, Di Maria or Müller. I don't know about you, but I'm taking Müller on my team any day of the week, plus,if I'm not mistaken, Müller was also Bayern's topscorer in the CL this season. Also, displacing Robben in a team, ain't something just any "very good player" can do. And also, could you be more specific about the comments in question that you believe overrate him?
     
  14. Yaroni

    Yaroni Member

    Aug 31, 2007
    Tel Aviv
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Israel
    i think more than anything he was using that stat to support his argument of why goetze didnt get the nod for the manschaft
     
  15. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    I'm not sure "miles" is the right word, but certainly true at the moment, though that's considering Reus wouldn't go for less than 40M and Draxler's buyout clause is 50M. In that context, 20M for Schurrle is eminently reasonable, especially considering we're buying him for depth as much as anything else.
    To put it another way, would you rather have Schurrle or Ashley Young? Even if it's a push, they cost about the same amount, and while Young's hardly amazing, he's been a pretty capable squad player for you.
     
  16. garethchelsea

    garethchelsea Member

    Jul 6, 2006
    Lewes, UK
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    They get the number when they are registered in it they then tend to keep that number unless their preferred one is available. KDB might have been given the number as a... here you go wear this for now as we want to see how you are at the moment before you go to Werder. Now he has come back he can chose what is available but as Schurrle is in the country and at the club at the moment he will have had first pick.
     
  17. fernb8

    fernb8 Member+
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    Aug 12, 2002
    Mangala now allegedly has a 42.4 million pound release clause according to the Presidential Mouthpiece of Porto

    amazing that the release clause has allegedly tripled since we were interested in him. Why do we even bother dealing with some of these clubs...
     
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  18. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Currently, Reus is a better player than Schuerrle. While Reus made a lot of noise at Gladbach, his transition to BvB was fantastic, but a lot may have had to do with Klopp and the team-play Dortmund has. Schuerrle lit it up at Mainz but his transition during the same era to Leverkusen did not go as well as the media predicted it to be. It was during this time that Reus also displaced Schuerrle on the NT.

    Take this info for what it is worth.

    As far as Marin, he has a lot of talent...I hope he gets the chance to showcase it but I am afraid his confidence is shot and his skill may have regressed as far as being a "sharp" player goes.
     
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  19. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Thank you!
     
  20. cr7torossi

    cr7torossi Member+

    May 10, 2007
    In all fairness, I would rather not have Young at all so bit of an easy choice there.

    All I am saying is that if I put young German talent into different tiers, Schurrle would be in the third tier for me along with someone like Holtby for example. Purely as a depth signing, it is all good though.
     
  21. Ninjatend0

    Ninjatend0 Moderator
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    Feb 10, 2007
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    obviously everyone on this board hopes it turns out to be good business and he goes on to become a better player under jose. but i don't think anyone was just really excited about the links, but now that he's here we'll back him and hope the best for him as well. time will tell.

    putting the price of Reus and Draxler in perspective, as well as Goetze at this point, i think the price on Schurrle wasn't too bad, especially if he actually CAN kick on and become the player many thought he could/can be.
     
  22. Maurice Dollars

    Maurice Dollars ¡Arriba Perú, carajo!

    Jan 11, 2011
    Lima, Perú
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    If we really did Cavani then I think we should sell Torres. He is currently top scorer of the Confederations Cup, so we find ourselves in an enviable positions: owner of a player who could be top scorer of two consecutive international cups :sneaky:.
     
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  23. Ninjatend0

    Ninjatend0 Moderator
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    Feb 10, 2007
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    it's been discussed quite a bit, but selling him on is easier said than done.

    honestly, i'm kind of torn on our striker situation and exactly what we should do. i'm really reluctant to see that club spend so much money on a striker again, and i think that a torres lukaku striker force could really do pretty good, especially under jose (hopefully), but will that be enough to win the league? i don't know.

    one would have to think though, if we do get Cavani, there will be quite a few pundits making us out to be favorites to win the league given all of the changes at the top clubs. i'm not sure i'm ready to go that far, even as much as i want it to happen.
     
  24. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Given how awful Holtby looked for Spurs, I think that's being quite harsh. I agree at the moment Schurrle isn't on the level of Reus and Draxler, but as Cris said, that also depends on how he adapts to England. Given that he's a direct player, England may well suit him better. As for Young - OK, fair point, though as a squad player he's quite decent, even though less so now that no one's buying his diving in the box.
     
  25. lobomojo

    lobomojo Member+

    Chelsea, Gillingham
    Jul 17, 2004
    Freedom
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    what # did KDB wear on loan and at his old pre-Chelsea Club?
     

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