Tulsa Roughnecks are back in the NASL as early spring 2015

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  1. drSoFlaFan

    drSoFlaFan DEFEND THE FORT!

    Feb 25, 2008
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    #76 drSoFlaFan, Sep 20, 2011
    According to the US Trademark Search, nobody does owns the Roughnecks name. There are 4 listings, two from the original NASL team that were cancelled in 1986, and two more recent ones that are also dead.

    Classic Ink apparently owns a handful of defunct brands, the only really notable one being the Rowdies. The other names they own: Uncle Sam's Trojans, Jersey Aces, Minnesota Kicks, Memphis Southmen, Puerto Rico Coquis, Chicago Sting, Minnesota Fighting Saints, and Jacksonville Sharks.
     
  2. Macsen

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    #77 Macsen, Sep 22, 2011
    Shhh. Nobody tell that to the AFL Jacksonville Sharks. :p
     
  3. USRufnex

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    #78 USRufnex, Sep 23, 2011
    Try this: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4008:lqvgpk.2.19

    Word Mark ROUGHNECKS

    Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Organizing sporting events, namely, soccer matches, competitions, and exhibitions; programming, production, and distribution of radio and television programs of soccer matches, competitions, and exhibitions; production and distribution of films featuring soccer matches, competitions, and exhibitions; production of CDs and DVDs featuring soccer matches, competitions, and exhibitions; programming, production and distribution of television programs, radio programs, and continuing non-downloadable internet programs featuring soccer matches, competitions, and exhibitions via the Internet; providing a web site featuring information about soccer and soccer matches, competitions, and exhibitions; publication of printed matter; soccer fan club services; conducting soccer training camps and clinics; ticket reservation and booking services for soccer matches, competitions, and exhibitions

    Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
    Serial Number 77876772
    Filing Date November 19, 2009
    Current Filing Basis 1B
    Original Filing Basis 1B
    Published for Opposition May 11, 2010
    Owner (APPLICANT) North American Soccer League, LLC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY DELAWARE c/o Miami FC 501 Brickell Key Drive, Suite 407 Miami FLORIDA 33131
    Attorney of Record Bradford S. Breen
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  4. Smoke & Mirrors

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    #79 Smoke & Mirrors, Sep 26, 2011
    Well, I'm no lawyer, but all that looks to me like the NASL owns the Roughnecks trademark. Very interesting. I'm guessing if they could be had for cheap, or nothing in a lot of cases, it certainly behooves t he league to gather up as many of these trademarks as they can for any potential future use. It also reinforces my opinions about the league being shoulder to shoulder with FC Tampa Bay in helping them to reacquire the Rowdies name.
     
  5. SoccerPrime

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    #80 SoccerPrime, Sep 26, 2011
    Didn't NASL/Traffic also buy the Baltimore NASL name and others 2 years ago?
     
  6. Chowda

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    #81 Chowda, Sep 29, 2011
    The acquired a bunch, and I believe Baltimore Bays was one of them. The only other I remember from that thread was the Boston Minutemen trademark.
     
  7. drSoFlaFan

    drSoFlaFan DEFEND THE FORT!

    Feb 25, 2008
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    #82 drSoFlaFan, Oct 3, 2011
    Ahh I searched for Tulsa Roughnecks. Nobody owns that.

    The NASL also owns the Atlanta Chiefs, Baltimore Bays, Detroit Express, the generic Atoms, Minutemen & Roughnecks names with no city/region name attached, and "Soccer Bowl".
     
  8. brentgoulet

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    #83 brentgoulet, Oct 3, 2011
    So the Tampa Bay Roughnecks is still an option ? :D
     
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  9. USRufnex

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    #84 USRufnex, Jun 18, 2013
    ***thread revival alert***

    Yes. As well as "Oklahoma City Roughnecks."
     
  10. Gulf Coast Armada

    Gulf Coast Armada New Member

    Jun 20, 2013
    Pensacola, FL
    #85 Gulf Coast Armada, Jun 21, 2013
    If the Roughnecks were brought in as an NASL team would that spell the end of the Tulsa NPSL team?
     
  11. Sachsen

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    #86 Sachsen, Jun 21, 2013
    That would be the wise course of action. Extremely unlikely that Tulsa would be able to adequately support two teams, regardless of division.
     
  12. brentgoulet

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    #87 brentgoulet, Jun 21, 2013

    Last season the Silverbacks had their reserves in NPSL, but this season they don't
     
  13. USRufnex

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    #88 USRufnex, Jun 21, 2013
    It would be theoretically easier for Tulsa to accomodate an NPSL (reserve?) squad with a team in the NASL than it will be for Oklahoma City to accomodate their PDL men's team in the NASL (which is what they say they're planning to do along with their women's team at Taft Stadium). Travel/lodging costs in PDL are higher than NPSL. OKC to El Paso is about the same distance as a Tulsa road game would be in Chicago...

    I don't think he'll play this Saturday, but we just signed this guy...
    [​IMG]
    http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2012/...er-daniel-wasson-released-by-minnesota-stars/
    http://www.tulsa-athletics.com/news...tu-standout-and-colorado-rapid-daniel-wasson/
    ***and yes, the Tulsa Athletics already have a reserve side...
    the team is a logical and natural extension of the current OSA Adult State Cup champions...
    A few of our NPSL starters are in this pic... as is one of the owners... :D
    [​IMG]
     
  14. Prosoccercdn

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    #89 Prosoccercdn, Jun 26, 2013
  15. Prosoccercdn

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    #90 Prosoccercdn, Jun 26, 2013
    Seems like a good signing, what would a player like him make in a season in NPSL? The league is semi pro correct? So some paid and some amatuer non pro players? Just wondering about the salaries of a typical NPSL team.
     
  16. USRufnex

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    #91 USRufnex, Jun 26, 2013
  17. USRufnex

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    Tulsa, OK
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    #92 USRufnex, Jul 1, 2013
    TULSA ATHLETICS Q & A
    http://www.npsl.info/home/733896.html

    5. Tulsa has a great soccer history. Where do you see the Athletics fitting in?

    Great question. I’m a soccer nerd and I know all about the history of the sport in Tulsa. I was unpleasantly surprised to find out that many of the kids that play today have no earthly idea about Victor Moreland and Billy Caskey and all of the old Tulsa Roughnecks trivia. That helped shape our "past, present, and future" design. Our programs spotlight a legend from the old NASL Tulsa Roughnecks and they have been doing the opening coin tosses. We want to re-educate people on how important these players are to Tulsa. Without them and the clubs they started and founded, Tulsa would just be another football town in America. We want the Athletics to have their own identity, while drawing on the past successes and influence of the Tulsa Roughnecks. We want kids to say "I wanna be the next Levi Coleman or Blaine Gonsalves." We really want the Athletics to embody the past, present, and future of soccer in Tulsa.
     
  18. OFCBDJ

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    #93 OFCBDJ, Jul 11, 2013
    USRufnex,

    Do you think that Skelly Stadium would be a good venue for a rebirth of the NASL Tulsa Roughnecks or do you think it is too big? What would your guess on attendance be?

    I know that TU put a bunch of money in the stadium and I hear it is incredible. What are your thoughts?
     
  19. Sachsen

    Sachsen Member+

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    Broken Arrow, Okla.
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    United States
    #94 Sachsen, Jul 11, 2013
    I'm not USRufnex, but I have opinions.

    It's pretty obvious that Skelly is too big to provide the kind of intimate atmosphere you would really like to have. Skelly seats 30,000 which would be bigger than every SSS in MLS. Only the NFL stadiums seat more, but they artificially limit capacity to 21,000 or less in every instance except Seattle. Skelly is a nice stadium in a good location, but the size and the turf field make it a nonstarter, I think.

    Much better would be renovating Driller Stadium IMO, but this is where my opinions run dry and USRufnex's facts take over.
     
  20. USRufnex

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    #95 USRufnex, Jul 13, 2013
    I think that if an NASL Tulsa team could draw 10k to 12k per game, then Skelly (now Chapman Stadium) would make sense compared to the old ballpark, despite the problems with field width. TU's dirty little secret is that after you read the fine print, the stadium capacity is listed as an "estimated 30,000" with a "fixed seating" that is never publicly listed but is really only around 26k or maybe 27k at the most (not counting seating available in the new press box). The school was afraid that reducing the capacity too far under 30k would endanger TU's longterm ability to stay in NCAA D-1...

    TU's desire to downsize Skelly Stadium by removing all the erector set-style seating dovetailed very nicely with MLS plans that involved a possible relocation of the Kansas City Wizards to Tulsa as early as Spring 2006. But it would only be possible if KC were unable to secure stable local ownership. The relocated Tulsa MLS club would have used Skelly Stadium temporarily while the downtown mixed-use development/soccer specific stadium was being built.

    A bit of trivia: TU's new "press box" has the exact same number of "luxury suites" as a certain soccer stadium in Frisco, TX...
    [​IMG]

    Personally, I'd want the team playing at the fairgrounds in most scenarios for several reasons... watching games and playing games on natural grass is superior to field turf with stitched grass in permanent team colors... the current NPSL soccer team is first tenant at the fairgrounds... NASL and MLS seasons run further into the fall and could become problematic... and other local political reasons that would take a really long time to explain...

    However, I'd LOVE to partner with TU to have a game or two each season against the New York Cosmos be played at Chapman Stadium as a secondary venue to old Drillers Stadium...

    Cheers!

    http://utsa.edu/ucomm/athletics/iv.htm
     
  21. Laramie

    Laramie Member

    May 5, 2010
    Oklahoma City, OK
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    #96 Laramie, Jul 19, 2013
    There has always been some kind of rivarly (sports, image) between Tulsa and Oklahoma City.

    One of the conerns I had about the Supersonics relocating to OKC centered around the fact that it is going to take the combined efforts of both cites to support any kind of major league sports. The Turner Turnpike is a 93-mile stretch which separates both cities. The Thunder sold 13,500 season tickets last season of which 3,000 came from the Tulsa area.

    Tulsa has a first class BOK arena which seats about 17,100 for hockey.

    Oklahoma could support NBA, NHL & MLS between the two cities. Tulsa has been a proven market for professional soccer. Oklahoma City hockey fans would journey to Tulsa to support an NHL experience.

    We are making progress toward both cities coming together.
     
  22. Sachsen

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    #97 Sachsen, Jul 19, 2013
    I agree to a certain extent. I'm not into basketball, but many of my friends are, and they are all huge Thunder fans and make trips to OKC for games.

    In my case, a theoretical MLS team in OKC won't get my fandom as I am already an SKC fan and they are only a couple hours farther away than OKC. I would go to OKC for SKC games and that's probably it. But I'm an exception; most soccer fans in Tulsa are not MLS fans and so an OKC team would be a prime opportunity for them to join the bandwagon.
     
  23. USRufnex

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    #98 USRufnex, Sep 28, 2013
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2013
    Don't look now... but... Bob Funk Jr. made a move in the OKC chess game...

    http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4806:9jl663.2.1

    Word Mark TULSA ROUGHNECKS FC
    Goods and Services     IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Entertainment services, namely, organizing, providing and conducting professional soccer exhibitions and games
    Standard Characters Claimed
    Mark Drawing Code     (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
    Serial Number 86069516
    Filing Date September 19, 2013
    Current Basis     1B
    Original Filing Basis 1B
    Owner (APPLICANT) Prodigal Soccer LLC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY OKLAHOMA 615 N. Hudson, Suite 100 Oklahoma City OKLAHOMA 73102
    Attorney of Record     Harvey L. Yusman
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  24. Laramie

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    #99 Laramie, Sep 28, 2013
    Your link has expired. Can you tell us what this is about? Is Funk planning on putting the Tulsa Roughnecks in the USL-Pro or does this have to do with research of the Roughnecks name trademark.
     
  25. SoccerPrime

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    #100 SoccerPrime, Sep 28, 2013
    So the USL Pro team in OKC, owned by Prodigal Soccer, are now trying/own the trademark for Roughnecks? Wow.

    As much as I prefer the NASL to the USL in OKC, it seems whoever can figure out Tulsa will definitely have a leg up in that race.
     
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