Oduro vs. Duka

Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by firefan2001, Apr 6, 2013.

  1. Salvatore Giuseppe

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago
    this is a thread about who got the better of the Oduro trade, right?
     
  2. iron81

    iron81 Member+

    Jan 6, 2011
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Since it's now obvious that we did, I'm the only one who wants to talk about that because it doesn't fit the agenda for most of the posters. It would look weird for me to post about it myself.

    I guess I could gloat in the nut riders thread, but said nut riders are doing just fine without me. It's like there is a giant mental block that allows people to celebrate the results of the various trades without thinking about the work that it took to make them happen. That mental block is a good manifestation of bias.
     
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  3. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    You were trying to gloat here about Javier Leon and were shot down.
     
  4. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    I thought it was about Oduro vs. Duka.
     
  5. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    It has worked out well because the stars aligned. That doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid trade. Blind squirrel. Nut. You know the rest.
     
  6. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    This is just a rumor and we are heading into the FOURTH transfer window since "the Keane Money was theoretically available." I'm feeling pretty confident that he was lying when we let Grazzini go and then cruised through the July transfer window with nothing and a team that was a good DP away from having a real chance to compete. We needed Andy and his check book THEN and he was AWOL.
     
  7. ionprovisioner

    Nov 23, 2003
    Flint, Michigan
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No one in this forum - and I'm included in this group - has any ********ing idea how the Fire FO makes soccer decisions. We are all reading tea leaves here - trying to divine from offhand statements which person in the FO pulled the strings for this deal and that deal. We are doing all of this while knowing (or at least suspecting strongly) that the statements we are parsing were vetted in an effort to avoid giving any of the information we seek. THEY DO NOT WANT US TO KNOW. We know this because they have a staff of professionals hired to inform us of the bits of information they *do* wish us to work from; nowhere, at any time since Andell Holdings took possession, have the Fire answered questions about player evaluation and acquisition other than hand-waving "me and Frank and Andy" non-answers from Mr. Leon.

    Now, iron81, in many people the prospect of something hidden provokes paranoia. In you it does not; this is interesting, I suppose in a sociological sense. The Fire front office is a Rorschach blot, the reactions to which are demonstrated in this thread and many others. But acting as if you've discovered the golden strand that ties it all together, absent further evidence, is unconvincing in the extreme.

    If you want trust, give transparency.
     
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  8. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    Boo hoo.

    He may be a great guy. I may volunteer my timing working with cancer patients. Ratdog may be the niece of Mother Teresa. This is a soccer message board. Nothing more or less. It's a place where we all discuss our favorite club and your credibility goes no farther than what you post here. Remember me? I'm the guy that used to get pummeled by the masses during the Hamlett days. I was fine with that because I LIKE discussing my favorite team and I knew that if I ever disliked it, I could just log off. For my part, I don't see "Lron81" as bullying, (and I do think it is pretty clever :)) but if its troubling to him, I'll just use no name and rip on anything ridiculous that he posts. I stopped getting pummeled when Denis got canned. We can only hope that Iron81 has a similar experience if and when Andy exits stage right.
     
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  9. Salvatore Giuseppe

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago
    I disagree with this. Before RR tweeted about his rights or came out, most people already assumed his rights were most valuable as a trade asset with LA. While I was slightly surprised at how quickly he came back, it didn't surprise me at all that he did. And when that happened, we got what his rights were worth, and we're better off now than we were before the trade.

    He only needs 2 goals for the Fire to match Oduro's output in 33 games last year. And even though 6 of them were for LA, those two goals would mean we now have a 10 goal scorer on our team again.
     
  10. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    Agree to disagree. We waited more than a week to pull the trigger on the trade after it seemed imminent. I assume that was because we were trying to do our diligence on what his rights are worth. What is clear is that we pulled the trigger on that and offloaded our leading goal scorer over a two year period, without knowing what those rights were worth and when we might potentially cash in on those rights. He was still in Europe at the time, presumably looking for a team. There certainly was a chance that he would hook on with someone taking a flyer on him in SOME euro league. That would leave us with Duka for Oduro at least for a year.

    As I said, the stars aligned and we now have Mike Magee. There was a big likelihood that that would not be the case this year. Thank God for that.
     
  11. Salvatore Giuseppe

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago
    Actually around draft day the rumors were just about Duka for Oduro. I think most of the week was spent just trying to get the rights, or possibly, as people have mentioned, trying to get Columbus to pay more of Duka's salary. Though neither of us actually knows.
     
  12. Mattinho

    Mattinho Member

    Jan 27, 2000
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seems like we could have kept Oduro and traded for Mike Magee with other valuable pieces. Or we could have traded for the rights to Robbie Rogers without dealing for Duka. There's a million scenarios that could have worked to get Magee as it sounds like he wanted to come here anyway. To me, losing Oduro could have been avoided so in the end the Duka trade still seems bad. Plus Duka has zero goals and zero assists in 11 matches and needs to be demoted to backup status.
     
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  13. loonixxx

    loonixxx Member+

    Chicago Red Stars
    Aug 28, 2004
    Soccer Limbo
    Club:
    Jagiellonia Bialystok SSA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My biggest issue with the Oduro trade from day one has been sending him to a conference rival.
     
  14. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    It was the rights to Rogers that was the catalyst for the whole thing. It looks as if Magee wasn't looking to move until the issue with Rogers came to a head.
     
  15. Mattinho

    Mattinho Member

    Jan 27, 2000
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We can never really know but it seems the catalyst was that Frank wanted to get as much value for Oduro(an unwanted player in his eyes) since he seemed to have value around the league and we 'needed' help in other areas of the field. There was no impetus to deal for Rogers at the time. It was simply added bonus to the Oduro trade. Also, and this is the big question for me that I keep coming back to, why did Klopas deem Oduro surplus to requirements in the first place? I realize he went on a brief cold period last season but he was certainly unfairly benched the rest of the season when other players got 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances. That has to go down as poor judgement by our staff regardless of what we got in return. We don't play much of a system so it's not fair to say that he didn't fit in well here and all the other weak arguments I've heard.
     
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  16. goldclover

    goldclover Member+

    Mar 25, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    The Oduro May...may..turn out good when one considers how the Roger's rights for Magee ended up but at the time it was made management had no clue they'd be getting Magee or even have the chance to. They traded out Oduro for Duka. Period. That by itself has been a horrible option. By any way of looking at it. Traded a good scorer to a total rival...Oduro actually did score for us unlike Mac etc...Oduro still scores but now for our Big Rival...Duka has been crap. At this point at least the trade was horribly planned. We may have gotten lucky with the Rogers thing which still does not make the trade good only palatable (as yet). Hopefully we either trade Duka for...anything or even nothing or he becomes something of worth (Mapp would have been ten times better and many sure did not like him), Magee continues to keep us sucking his balls rightfully and/or Oduro completely nosedives. My guess is Magee will be good (hopefully enough) but Duka will not and we will get little for him and Oduro will be decent at worst. Bunge is right though..Oduro scoring for the Crew..rankles me.
     
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  17. Salvatore Giuseppe

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago
    I'm also willing to admit that I was wrong about Oduro in Columbus. I expected him to flop, or at least be very average. I thought they played too much of a ground passing game through Higuain for him to succeed, but they have adapted well to fit him, and its paying off.

    Though I'm not sure that planning around Oduro rather than Higuain is the right tactics, as I think Higuain is the much better player. It seems to be working so far though.
     
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  18. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
  19. Salvatore Giuseppe

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    Chicago
    Oduro: flops against his former club
    Duka: class-ly does not celebrate a goal against his former club
     
  20. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Duka has improved enough and shown enough consistency to not be cut at the end of the season.

    I admit, I was wrong. I thought there was no way he would improve even this much. I daresay, he's more effective than Nyarko at this point in the season.
     
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  21. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oduro 7 goals 1 assist
    Duka and Magee 5 goals 1 assist

    After all said and done, I think we made out pretty good. Magee scoring in every game in a FIRE uniform (6 games) and Duka with two good games in a row.
     
  22. RadioGonzo

    RadioGonzo Member+

    Nov 16, 2009
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It helps that "@FreakyBadFinishing" has stunk up the place so bad every time we've played him this year. I've talked a lot of shit about Duka, but he is an old-school winger, and they need confidence more than any other position except maybe GK. You gotta believe you can beat a guy and he does now. I'd still love to see that final killer ball played with clearer intention and less hopefulness and maybe stop letting fullbacks saunter down the flank unmarked, but I'll take what I can get.
     
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  23. chiladd

    chiladd Member+

    Mar 21, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Well he showed everyone why there was once a Duka hype machine.when he shows up and is in his game he is the real deal.he may have been the best player on the field.he still has plenty of room for improvement on top of it, if he can keep his head straight damn oh damn did we rob LA and Columbus.
     
  24. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    His finish was fantastic and he played great on the wings, but realistically he need to make better decisions in the final third. It was by no means a perfect game.
     
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  25. SixKick

    SixKick Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 13, 2000
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    And this after we robbed Houston to begin with:

    Carr -> Oduro -> Rogers & Duka -> Magee & Duka

    I think someone in the front office has some kind of cheat code when it comes to trades.

    For as crappy as our DP's have been the last few years, I've got to admit that non-DP FO moves have been very good (trades, Pardo, Friedrich, drafting ROY). At the risk of sounding too much like iron, praise should go to whoever is responsible, whether that's Leon or Klopas or whoever else.
     
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