Should he stay or should he go, That is the Question! - The Jorge Jesus Thread [R]

I think I remember him coaching Benfica years ago and it wasn't pretty. Times change, but people don't.

 

Yep what does that say about your clubs organization? *cough* incompetent* *cough* They have been a joke since they fired Bela Gutmann in 1963 and never won european silverware since. If your coach wins you back to back Euro cups and wants a bit more in pay, you pay him!!! Your organization is getting a bit better since hiring Rui Costa though, give you that.

 

PS Why did Cardozo push JJ at the end of the Portuguse Cup final, anyone know? I mean I can guess but would like to know for sure lol

 

I have to say I defended him, especially after overcoming the Fenerbahce first leg deficit.

The way, however, he set the team out to play vs. Porto was befitting of a 1980s, small, defensive-minded team. When I first started watching footy, it was very common for teams looking to hold onto the result to just bring on defenders until you were left with no attackers. Most good/better coaches do not do that anymore: what seems most practical today is to bring on midfielders so at least one's team cuts off passing lanes and outnumbers the other team in a key part of the field (e.g., the middle).

That said, I was willing to give him another shot because I still had the hope we would be able to overcome such a negative emotional frame of mind and beat Chelsea: a good man-manager can galvanize his players despite such a setback. Alas, he proved me wrong.

And then there was the debacle today.

So, like I said: I admit to having defended him but facts are facts and can no longer protect the guy. If we are content with being also-rans, runners-up, 2nd place, then fine: keep him but if we want to man up toe-to-toe with Porto, I believe it is best to make a change at this point.

My 2 Chilean pesos.

 

I also have been a staunch supporter of JJ. It's no secret that under JJ and Rui Costa that Benfica is now taken more seriously in European competitions and during this regime they have groomed and benefited financially from a lot of decisions. However, Benfica should never go trophyless. You can tell that JJ loves the club, but second best has never been the standard for Benfica. Benfica needs to have Porto expectations year after year. Porto is firing their manager despite the fact he won 2 back to back ligas....JJ can't stay. I still am not comfortable with the Benfica brass choosing the correct manager since they have been incapable of doing so....but the message of keeping JJ despite the collapses of recent years sends a message to the fans and players that we're a second rate club. There needs to be a new voice in the lockeroom....and I suspect it will be foreign. So for all of you clamoring for more portuguese talent in the starting XI, it wont happen with or without JJ.

 

My guess is that president Veira wants him to stay, so it is only if JJ wants to go. Bayern last year were exactly like us lost all 3 at the end of the season (replace Europa for CL) and are very likely to win the Cup and make it a treble this year. With or without JJ we should easily win the league next year if we keep all our key players and buy well (we won't). Got a feeling the JJ and Benfica is too much of a great failed romance (loss of confidence and trust).

 

According to Abola he will be gone by today or tommorrow. Here's my problem with the board, they have absolutely no plan in place currently. In comparison to Porto who has a plan and is already offering a contract to Pelligrini. Benfica has no such plan. I really hope they take their time to find their man.

 

With Pellegrini off to Man City that plan should work fine...

ATM, and as far as we know, each team is as close to getting a new manager as the other, but personally I believe that Pinto da Costa has everything figured out and has already a manager ready to take over the job and an alternative one. This being said, I believe his first choice is Jorge Jejum and his alternative is Vítor Pereira, hence VP is still without a new club.

 

I can't see JJ at Porto. There was a lot of animosity but PDC puts his hate for Benfica above common sense at times and I'm sure he would love seeing JJ beat Benfica at the Luz.

 

On top of that Pinto da Costa and Jorge Jejum are good friends.

 

JJ at the helm of Porto would really crack me up. As pathetic as he is at times, he would probably be quite successful at Porto. He would be under so much pressure to win that he probably wouldn't take that many stupid risks with tactics and player selections. Plus, Porto has completely different caliber of players. I don't want to accuse them of doping, but they seem to always play hard and have a different mentality than Benfica's players. Of course, Porto has a few bad games here and there, but they are pretty consistent.

I've come to the conclusion that Benfica is really like an amusement park. You know, sort of like Disney World in the United States. The club is about making money and having some fun. There seems to be way too much flexibility and a culture of leisure. It's hard to take the club seriously.

 

Well, Porto has an old system in place where we always have a core group of players who balance the mercenaries. That's why we got Lucho back, just to tie us over until a new group of core players is formed.

Not sure why Benfica ran out of steam, maybe they just need to train more physically and mentally.

I have no doubts that JJ would win with Porto partly because PDC calls all the shots and JJ wouldn't be allowed to invent tactics ahead of big games but it would be very weird.

 

From what I read today on A Bola, it seems like LFV wants JJ to stay but that is not the thinking of the rest of the board: the remaining members seemingly want JJ gone.

How would you guys feel about Jardim? Hypothetically speaking, of course.

 

You guys would have to steal him from Sporting

 

He's already taken over at Sporting? My bad.

 

Well the FO moved swiflty to deny rumours of a meeting between LFV and JJ.

http://aovivo.slbenfica.pt/Noticias...do-da-Sport-Lisboa-e-Benfica-Futebol-SAD.aspx

 

LOL!!!!!!!!! I never heard of that story.

 

That's because it's not true. It was in the news in Portugal because a lot of information was lost in translation. That business of LJ allegedly sleeping with the president's wife was just a sketch from a greek comedy show.

They ran out of steam because they trained to much. JJ likes to have training sessions on the mornings of game days because it has a positive effect on the players form for the game, but they can't take it all season long.
That's why Benfica needs a very large squad, to rotate the players a lot, but because this season they didn't have enough good alternatives the starters ended up running out of steam.

 

Of course, however it still shows a plan in place. And if anything, it shows Porto isn't afraid to offer a contract to one of the most sought after managers in the world. It's a power move for Porto, win or lose they look good.