Alert: Klinsmann announces roster for May/June camp on Thursday (announcement included in this thread)

You are not missing anything, afaik.

I do not think we are arguing against each other. (I think it is very easy to see -- and/or offer -- any and all sides of these issues and discussions.)

 

Of course that makes sense. Who could argue with that? But this thread is about the roster selections for the upcoming games. This is a discussion board. We are discussing the selections. If Mestes finds something wrong with that he should stay out of the thread.

 

Indeed indeed. I've been watching most of their Copa Lib. matches and even away he hasn't looked out of his depth particularly. He's been better at home but I really don't think the turf was the reasoning behind it, or behind his good play lately.

Also, I think when he first came into the fold there was a little bit of negative bias towards him (I was guilty of this too) because he seemed kind of flaky towards Mexico's set-up, and he also looks like a skeletor.

Oh and he didn't do that well his first couple outings, but he always showed flashes of potential. I'd actually like to see him get the start in WCQs with Fabian ahead of him.

 

This part of your post jumped out at me. I do not like to appeal to authority, but this is actually the best supporting evidence on the difference of the situations. We can pick apart this and that clue, or factor available to us here from media reports or press conferences, but the fact is 2 different coaches were not in agreement with Donovan's decision. The other situations all involved agreement from the coach.

So, aside from the things we can tabulate, all the information about the professional situation of the players in question available to those coaches led them to consider these situations different.

In any case, one other difference about the Donovan situations is....
It has its own thread

 

Yes, and one of those coaches (his club one) welcomed him back "immediately" and got him playing minutes and games again virtually asap.

His NT coach has taken a different approach (at this point).

And while each coach was "not in agreement with Donovan's decision" to miss time/games in Feb/March, I'm not certain why "different" decisions on (and time frames for) reintegrating the player back into the team(s) were made. (And yes, I realize JK has a bigger and better pool of players from which to stock his NT, relative to what Arena has to work with at his club.)

fair enough. and great point.

 

I'll let the bold speak for itself.

 

Well it could be interpreted a number of ways. Either that he's more important for his club team than he is for his national team (thus more expendable on the latter), or that his club coach was also his NT coach at one point and is thus more partial to being lenient towards Donovan...or that they are just two different people and thus go about things two different ways.

I might just be an idiot (or so the women in my life tell me), but can you clarify?

 

Yeah, the "smart/reasonable" way, and the other way.

 

And those thoughts are that you won't know those thoughts until after the games are played? What's the point of posting anything all right now? I look forward to reading your thoughts after the June Qualifiers are complete.

 

I'll take all of the above!

Edit: P.S. I will also re-emphasize that despite their differences they STILL seem to agree that the Donovan situation was different from the Reyna situation and the Dolo situation respectively.

 

Wait a minute, so you think I'm an idiot?!

 

oops!

 

This is definitely one of the reasons I'm not sold on Castillo as in international level defender. He's so slight of frame that it seems like he can get manhandled by some of the stronger wing players out there.

That being said, he has played quite well this year and was one of the best players on the pitch yesterday, so I'm not against him getting a chance to start at LB.

 

I'm not sure Arena views the Donovan situation in 2013 differently than the Reyna situation in 2005.

Arena seems to have consistently treated the player(s) in the same manner (even after being upset or disappointed or disagreeing with the player's decision to take a break and miss time), and welcomed the player(s) back immediately to the team he was managing.

(Now, I do not know if Arena would have also welcomed back Donovan immediately to the May/June 2013 NT camp, were Arena the US coach at this time, but I suspect he might have done so. not that that is the "right" approach, or the one that would get the "best" results across the course of this cycle. But it would be a decision I agree with and would show some reasonable consistency of approach.)

 

This article is dated April 11th, I think DOLO was hoping he would be complete healed by now. Since he is always in contact with JK one has to assume it has been a mutual decision to skip the friendlies and take a wait and see stance for the qualifiers. I hope he can make it.

 

Beasley is similarly built.

 

I don't like Beasley playing as a left back unless in emergency situations.

 

They should see if they could share a uniform to see if the US could play with 12.

 

And I hardly like it then.

Not that a player will be utilized on the field as they are listed positionally in some roster announcement, but it isn't all that encouraging, in this specific case.

 

These guys are professionals and adults. The expectation is that they act like professionals and adults - Which means you respect the wishes of the manager, you show up an play hard for yourselves and whoever happens to be lined up alongside you, and you act the professional off the pitch.

I don't think Arena gave a crap what it looked like when he called someone up. But a large part of that has to do with Arena being a big douche who doesn't care about other people's opinion in general.

 

I hope he did view it different, didn't Reyna took some time off to tender his family's situation? I believe at the time he had a special child which if memory serves me right passed away last year.

 

It relates to the wide back problem we've persistently had in this country. Five years ago Ashe couldn't have gotten a look-see at the position because he wasn't even playing the position. It's pretty much par for the course that most of the defensive players in the world were playing a more advanced position when they were younger, but most of the time they make the switch at about 19, Ashe was about 24. We have an unusual number of guys who make it all the way to significant first-team professional play at a more attacking position only to see after a couple of years trying it that their best shot is at wide back. Frankie Hejduk, Chris Albright, John Bornstein, Tony Sanneh. Maybe Geoff Cameron.

We need to be spotting guys whose best contribution is further back at an earlier age. One of the ingredients to that is a youth development system where coaches shift guys around and experiment with them, even if only to give them a more comprehensive look at the game.

 

Statman said Dolo HAD NOT said he wanted onto the Nats. Last I checked, my statement that Dolo said he wanted to play for the Nats in qualifiers was accurate. Still is accurate since he actually did say that.

If you want to say he changed his mind, fine. But to say he never said it is false.

Yeah, "thanks for playing."

 

I have to admit I laughed! They are beanpoles.

 

Please.