Rivalry thread part III

Did they use the same standard as when they penalized Conte, i.e., no evidence and let's just ******** Juve in a (failed) attempt to make Serie A competive?

 

i love how everyone just says the line " Juve cheats" and they have NOTHING to back it up

so far all im seeing is trash talk with no real evidence lol

 

The more Juve fans try to defend Calciopoli the more respect they lose. Its time to stop and move on.

 

Ok, but you haven't answered the question. Do you believe Juve never cheated, not once, all just a conspiracies against Juve because Juve was too strong?

 

Kind of, sort of, what Dante (No offense. I get how it would be great if some other team received the same reputation but....) and some of the other member do when they point the fingers in the other direction

 

But that still doesn't answer the question. Do you think Juve was totally innocent, didn't cheat at all, no Moggi manipulation, ever?

Fair enough, no arguments...but you forgot Fiorentina However, are those calls that you acknowledge are in their favor a result of a referee mistake or some sort of pre-arranged deal, of whatever sort?

 

The league, and their officials, have a vested interest in seeing the bigger clubs be successful so they obviously have decisions go their way above-and-beyond "luck."

From PK decisions and red cards week-in-and-week-out, to Roma not being punished for giving gifts to referees valued in the thousands of Euros to Fiorentina being permitted to skip C1.

Juve, obviously, if you watched this league at all over the last 30+ years, systematically cheated and wielded their influence like a gun to the head of many clubs, including my own, in 2004-2005.

Inter, obviously, if you watched the league starting in the summer of 2006, was the evil club pulling all the strings that basically set Juve (and us, and Lazio, and ACM) up with the calciopoli scandal.

Juve and Inter were basically opposing factions in some clandestine power struggle that raged for many years and Juve was obviously a lot better at it than Inter was. Until they weren't.

 

#9thplace

 

being convicted of something that didnt happen and there is no real evidence of is alot different than defending something that did happen. If you were in jail for 25 years for a crime u didnt commit, wouldnt you be defending your case?


all u guys do is drop one liners with no clear evidence, there are hundreds of pages of thread with nothing but childish comments, no real proof

 

Doesn't everyone do that here, mostly though?

 

I can't prove that the moon doesn't have a creamy, with a hint of nutmeg, bechamel-filled center. Proof of anything is difficult to come up with, by its nature.

But for you to claim that there...

...is absurd.

Manipulating the system of designating referees for certain matches is "cheating" and there is plenty of evidence that Juve, and others, did that.

 

You're going to extremes...with that moon example.
I dont know what this evidence is you're talking about. was this court televised like the oj trial or are there transcripts we can read? cuz from what i see from italian courts is just a few words and then a verdict without any lenghty investigation. Just like what they did to Conte, it took them a day to make a decision? really?

i have no trust or faith in this justice system by FIGC...what happened to all the match fixing scandals of last year?? it was such a big deal that all i saw was conte being banned, criscito WRONGLY accused and dropped from Euros, only to later be cleared not guilty. then they deduct points from Napoli, 1 point, lol then they give it back. you expect me to accept verdicts from justice system as honest and truth?? its nothing but a clown show and its exaclty why italian football has gone down and lost fans. Cuz people are tired of the ridiculous clown show they put on.

 

Which explains why their most successful club was relegated based on shoddy evidence and shoddy procedure. Right. Go on.

 

I addressed that three paragraphs down, I thought...

Inter, obviously, if you watched the league starting in the summer of 2006, was the evil club pulling all the strings that basically set Juve (and us, and Lazio, and ACM) up with the calciopoli scandal.

 

But your premise was that the league's principal interest was in favoring the big clubs; obviously not true when you see what happened with Juve.

 

So, maybe you can answer. Were Juve completely innocent and only set up? Dante/Falc?

 

I said they have an interest... Which they do. They also have an interest in keeping UEFA satisfied.

 

There is no such thing as innocence in this world we are all guilty in some way shape or form and that is a fact. In sports everyone tries getting the upper hand on someone else its the nature of competition.

 

In the end, nothing was shown to be manipulated. The best Rossi and his stooges could do was come up with an attempt to manipulate the referee designation. All of this was because Moggi had conversations with the referee designator on a weekly basis. Guess what, everyone had those conversations as the policy then was an open door one so that teams could comment (complain) about referees. I have run soccer leagues for nearly 30 years. I can't tell you the countless number of phone calls/emails I have received from coaches/managers about so-and-so referee and how he never wants to see him again at one of his team's matches. I have acted at times upon those requests.

So in the end, the tribunal determined that Moggi tried to manipulate the referee designation. In it of itself, it is nothing more than an Article 6 violation, which is a minor penalty. But they trumped it enough to make up the fictitious result of an Article 1 violation, which put the hammer on Juve. The problem for Juve was the new management were a bunch of inept fools who bowed down to accept the punishment. They thought that perhaps in the end, it would be forgiven. Idiots.

Do I think Juve has cheated to reach its success? No. Have they received favorable calls at times? Yes. Guess what, so have other clubs, usually the big ones. Guess what else. This is not exclusive to Italy or to soccer. Juve has also been on the other end. When Roma last won the scudetto, Lega Calcio changed the foreigner limit in mid-season. Guess who put one past that imbecile Van der Saar in a crucial match that season. When Lazio won it, I believe Juve was forced to play water polo in the Lago di Perugia. It comes and goes.

Now if there is anyone who I believe cheated, it was Moratti. Too many connections with the whole calciopoli farce. And his side was the sole beneficiary.

You have my answer.

 

oh boy when juve fans bring up Perugia it makes me want to grind my teeth it was raining on both teams was it not for crying out loud its not like wherever a Perugia player was there was a sun spot with a rainbow over his head since when did soccer turn into a baseball came ?

 

But it was sunny in Roma for Lazio to play their match. Ever play on a water logged pitch? There is no playing, thus the water polo reference. It neutralized both sides, which in the end favored Lazio in their capture of the scudetto.

 

so ? football gets played no matter. Unless its a natural disaster and people are dying because of the weather.