I've seen enough: cameron and edu should pair as cm's.

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Sam Hamwich, Apr 6, 2013.

  1. Tom Collingsworth

    Jun 14, 2011
    North Carolina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mainly the part about Edu not improving over the last 5 years, when he has. I also dispute him being the worst CDM possession wise in the pool. Is Kyle Beckerman better in possession? I don't think so, unless you include back passes then "dreads" is the king of possession.

    Bursaspor are probably going to be in the Europa League next year. To me playing for a Top 5 team in Turkey is better than a relegation level BPL club (Stoke).
     
  2. iad_22201

    iad_22201 Member+

    Jan 2, 2009
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, Kyle is better in possession than Edu. As for back passes, you have watched Mo's performances with the 'nats, haven't you?
     
  3. Tom Collingsworth

    Jun 14, 2011
    North Carolina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I disagree that Kyle is better in possession, have you watched Edu play since he moved to Turkey? Simple question because if you have you will see that he has regained his confidence on the ball and looks a lot more comfortable in possession than he ever did with Rangers. He resembles the player at Toronto whose on the ball skill was actually fairly good and certainly not an aspect of his game that was thoroughly criticized. It can't be level of competition because the Super Lig skill wise and competition wise is way ahead of the SPL.
     
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  4. iad_22201

    iad_22201 Member+

    Jan 2, 2009
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be clear I said Kyle is better in possession that Mo. And yeah, I've seen plenty of Mo in Turkey. Fun league to watch, but as for it's quality from top to bottom, I'm not terribly impressed.
     
  5. magic journey

    magic journey Member+

    Feb 20, 2010
    my advice, you should to watch this league more closerly and more scouting way .

    beside, if you didint impress or impress, i didint saw your single post in the game thread of the edu or edu's main official thread in yank abroad main section since his first game at bursaspor jersey.
    <->if you watched closely every game in bursaspor jersey, minus,plus, at least you should tell what you think about him .his performance since arrive the league and play week in week out versus decent midfielders and forwards at the league.


    ps;

    over all, i agree what tom said about it .


    cheers,
     
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  6. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    A Cameron - Edu midfield assumes Bradley plays above them. Bradley's pass completion rate is roughly 95%.

    It assumes our LB/RB will be the primary width outlets with total defensive coverage from these two mids. I am looking for two primary things from the US CM:

    1. Stop transition goals through the middle.
    2. Opportunistic runs/finishing in or near the box.

    Jermain Jones would be an ideal candidate for either Edu or Cameron but he lacks two things as a Nat:

    1. discipline.
    2. chemistry.

    Edu and Cameron are roughly the same age and have a terribly good understanding. WIth Besler and Gonzo behind them you have 4 central players who can make a difference as distributors, defenders and attackers.
     
  7. jimmy2823

    jimmy2823 Member

    Nov 10, 2011
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    so a month ago this whole website hated jurgen because he was playing 3 defensive midfielders at the same time. now you want to go back to that and put in cameron who has never played that position at stoke or at usmnt, and put edu one of our worst players in posession as a box to box?
     
  8. TheNearPost

    TheNearPost Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Edu and Cameron as holding midfielders with Bradley in front of those two. That's a fairly interesting combination. That resembles Spain midfield triangle with Alonso and Busquets guarding the backline and Xavi at the tip.

    We also saw Bradley at the tip of a midfield triangle against Mexico in Juergen's first game in charge.

    Interesting stuff. The key would be the wide midfielders and striker. I have no doubt that Bradley, Edu, and Cameron could guard the middle, or that Bradley would offer adequate support. I wonder whether that front three would be able to provide enough creativity to unsettle the defense and create space, even with support from Bradley and the fullbacks.

    Spain had this problem, to an extent, especially in the first game against Italy. They had too many players coming to the ball and not enough stretching the play vertically or horizantally. They were way too compact. None of Xavi, Xabi Alonso, or Busquets are box-busters like Bradley, and the fullbacks were well watched by Italy's wing backs.

    That's a toughie. I doubt it would work.
     
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  9. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    I created a thread, perhaps 3 years ago that called for the USMNT to play the '98 France 3 dmid formation, with Dempsey playing the Zidane role and Donovan the Djorkaev role. I have nothing against 3 dmids, especially since it favors our player pool.
     
  10. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    Hmm, that is an interesting observation, but those 3 up top as well as the Edu-Cameron duo offer something spain can't offer: height, of course spain offers a deadly combination of passing, but with width and crossing from Chandler and FJ, I think we could find a nice balance of 3 attackers of Dempsey, Altidore, Donovan, or pick your three attackers. One thing is crucial, those top three have to be scorers not feeders, that means no more Zusi, Davis nonsense as a top 3. I like those two, but as stand ins for Edu and Cameron.
     
  11. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Edu and Bradley playing defence is the best combo. Always has been. Bradley playing forward is and always will be interesting, nothing more. The results have been mixed. Jk has more faith in JJ.
     
  12. TheNearPost

    TheNearPost Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    What really turned Spain around against Italy in the final was just that they moved the ball way quicker and saw more verticality in their play. Cesc Fabregas wouldn't have made that run in behind the defense earlier in the tournament. He likely would have dropped to the ball and received. Jordi Alba probably isn't a guy you expect to score all the time, but his willingness to simply sprint ahead showed Spain knew they needed to be a bit more direct.

    Players like Alba(attacking fullback), Villa (inverted winger), Pedro(winger, either flank), Jesus Navas (winger), and Fernando Torres are important to Spain because they're very un-Spanish. They bring the bits of direct play that allow the Spanish to increase the tempo and break pattern. They still control the game, but there is also a final thrust rather than just fifty slow cuts.
     
  13. TheNearPost

    TheNearPost Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I don't know about Cameron and Edu as defensive midfielders, but I wonder how Kljestan would do paired with somebody else in that role. Sacha isn't really a guy who belongs in the 3 band in a 4-2-3-1. He's not quite creative/skilled enough, or athletically gifted.

    However, as a deep-lying playmaker partnered with a more athletic option, Kljestan could be quite a good player. He's very good at starting moves from deeper. He's not the final pass guy. He just has that one pass at the beginning of good attacks that really gets the team ready to thrust.


    If the guys in front of him are in good spots, he can pick them out. Not so much with a final ball, but the kind of pass played right where you need it. Kljestan was never really meant to be the playmaker. More like the maestro. The marionette man. I don't know if playing him this way would really be the best permutation for the U.S., but I think it's Sacha's best role.

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  14. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    There are a lot of people on these boards who have suggested Sacha and thus far you have to conclude that he is not better than any other Midfielder at any one thing. Defensively he is perhaps 5th, ball winning also 5th, passing at best 4th...the guy I would like to see groomed as a replacement for Bradley or even Dempsey (midfield dempsey, not attacking dempsey) is Joe Corona.

    I'm sold on the guy as a mentally strong player capable of impacting the match.
     
  15. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    I thought the difference in spain's first match vs. spain's final was no striker v. dedicated striker.

    You could argue that Villa in the first match lead the line, but in the final, the false 9 roared back and the team was forced to 'invent' the goals scored rather than rely on a striker formula. This more than anything left Italy's back 3/4 grasping at sand.

    Bosque was masterful in this tournament. He understands the Spanish mentality like no other. He made of this tournament a puzzle his team needed to put together and by the end, having figured the puzzle out, they scored at will, played with abandon and confidence.
     

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