Will there be lasagna? The Other Teams Thread [R]

you're doing it wrong

 

Since nothing that is said qualitatively will change this argument, look at Valdes's stats, compare them to Szczesny's, and please tell me how he is an upgrade.

Valdes Stats

Szczesny Stats

Valdes has about the same save percentage over the past three years, except that he is trending downwards, and he faces less shots on target per minute than Szczesny (which is lamb's argument).

 

Vorm scares me man. Minoglet is eating off that Belgian inflation.

The fact he doesn't see much action and comes up with big saves should be a plus for us. How many matches have we lost because our keeper ********s up one chance due to a lack of concentration?

We all bemoan the lack of winners in the squad. We have a chance to get one of the biggest winners of the last decade for under 10 million.

His distribution would be vital to us.

 

I was surprised to see when Mascherano got hurt last night, Tito called the youngster Bartra to replace him at the center of the defence next to Pique, leaving Song rotting on the bench. That speaks volumes. Song's days at Barca must be numbered.

 

If chezza could kick a ball to a team mate this arguement would be alot clearer

 

Lamb, you must be kidding! You seem to have a knee jerk reaction to whatever DaPrince says. Since he said that Valdes is good, you have to jump and call him a fraud. Come on Man, you know better. Valdes would be a major improvement over what we have now at Arsenal. As a matter of fact, from the list suggested above, I would only pick Cech ( and perhaps Begovic) over him. He is an excellent keeper. Saw him against France last week and he did really well. He was good last night and can't be blamed for the second PSG goal.

 

i'm not kidding. he's an average/decent keeper protected by a very good team who dominate outfield play. it's a position that barca haven't really needed to spend on and they're happy to "get by" with him as his distribution is worth more to them than his actual ability to save, not to mention it allowed funds to go to outfield players, hence his longevity there.
would i want arsenal to actually spend good money to sign him? hell no.

 

Ok....so you don't think he is a fraud anymore, just an "average/ decent keeper". In my view, he is an excellent keeper. So let's agree that we disagree there. If the rumored price (8 to 10 M) for Valdes is correct, IMO, he will be a good investment.

 

a fraud as a top keeper, and i wouldn't touch him with yours.

 

I'm a stats man, but they don't tell the whole story with keepers. Szczesny has a save percentage that is around the top 5 in the premiership this season and Wenger decided to bench him for a guy who hasn't played a match in nearly 2 seasons and will probably leave this summer.

On top of that, Valdes is an outstanding distributor of the ball while Chez is facking terrible. And Valdes has actually won or kept his team in important matches with his big time saves. And he has won. Now not once have I called Valdes a world class/top keeper like a poor poster has said but he would be a significant upgrade to the position and the first winner we brought in since Gallas. If the price is right, you sign him.

 

you inferred it. when you asked for a list of alternative keepers and got that list you then asked when a couple of them had become top class keepers, inferring that to be equal enough to valdes to be alternatives they had to be top class. that's your own poor posting my friend.

 

like Yoss said, its "implied," I certainly did not imply that.

What I said is on the list of available/realistic keepers this summer, Valdes is tops. Cech would be tops but Chelsea would never sell him to us. Notice I didnt say he was a better option than Neur, Coutbois (sp?), or Handanovic or Cech, or any other top-top keeper. I was very clear about what I meant sir, and you went off on the rails being mad yet again.

when you have a chance to eat a porterhouse steak instead of a burger from Mcdonalds, and before you were eating Taco Bell ground beef, why not take the steak?

 

valdes is unproven imo, he has made some gaffs and good saves at barca....i doubt he would be motivated to play here and i can't see it happening

would rather go for the kid at gladbach, i like mandanda, begovic, handanovic who i think is world class or a vorm/krul before valdes

 

both actually, though probably implied suits the 1st sentence better in my reply.
saying that, he inferred that the list posted was meant to be top keepers, hence his reply. i inferred that, due to this, he meant that valdes is also supposed to be a top keeper. he implied it.

 

We should always be looking to upgrade and Sneezy is making it easy. Right now, the men who watch him more closely than does anyone else would rather entrust our 4th place dream to a keeper nicknamed "Flappy" over him so, he is poor.

That being said, why Valdes? Because he is available? Taking what is available is about 3 levels below what we should be doing. Arsenal shoud be saying "we want X" and then getting it. Not wandering through the damages and returns section of the store.

Valdes' success at Barca could be him or the 99.9% of the ball his team seems to see. But, when selecting a national team, isn't he generally third choice? Casillas is a keeping God in Spain but Valdes is behind Reina too, no? Seems like a serious team would at least pursue the second choice keeper rather than pick up the third-place keeper.

Is Valdes a step-up from Fabianski? Sure. I would just like to sign a guy whose greatest positive isn't that he looks good compared to someone no one rated until a few weeks ago and the guy who was deemed to be even worse.

 

even tho valdes isnt top class, the underrating of him is over the top.

Shoot, his ability in a high line would be a great plus for us. His distribution and he is a winner.

 

We need an upgrade over Szczesney, Arteta and Giroud imo. I would still want to keep all three but simply buy guys who are better. Our depth would be fairly decent

 

This line of thinking belongs in places with unicorns and leprechauns..besides how do you take players who aren't available.

 

We need a stopper who isn't lead footed.

 

texan, reina has been poor the last 2 years though

i would rather look at a german keeper, they always pwn

 

He was miles offside.

 

the thing is, Valdes is a steak. He isnt top of the line, but he is def quality. And much improved over what we have and had.

The underrating of Valdes is just something I will never get. He aint world class, but Arsenal arent shopping for world class. He is also at the right age that he doesnt kill the chances of a younger keeper too. And he has big time experience which this club has been lacking for almost a decade. And he is better than a lot of the names taht have been mentioned too.