True but a tweet from the guy who is the subject of the "rights" trade is sweeter smelling crap than the crap posted by you and me. It has everything to do with running the team. Regardless what you think of overreactions, two things are pretty clear from his tweet: 1) "just read" is a very, very strong suggestion that he was just learning this himself; and 2) it seems like he is not exactly thrilled with a league that can trade his "rights" when he isn't under contract (not an unsympathetic position.) True.
You are contradicting yourself. He shouldn't be consulted about a trade because we were acquiring his rights. There is absolutely nothing out of the ordinary about a team contacting an out of contract player to see if he has any interest in returning so that we can exercise those rights. Failure to do so is soccer malpractice.
I never said "shouldn't". I said athletes usually aren't consulted before they're involved in a trade. What is "soccer malpractice"? Did you make that up? Is this a fact? Did you learn this in the How Not to Commit Soccer Malpractice handbook? MLS is probably the only league where a "player's rights" can be traded, so is this in an addendum? How many times do you think a transaction like this has occurred in MLS, in order to define "ordinary"?
Not Fire's concerns. If Robbie fails in europe, which he likely will, he'll have to play for whatever team owns or trades for his rights. That's the way MLS is. Planning for the future, this leads me to believe that Fire merely added Robbie's rights as an "icing on the cake" type move. THis shows me that Fire have zero intent on signing Rogers when he returns. And clearly they think he'll return sooner rather then later
This could be a valid arguement, it seems they are having to go through Leeds United to get contact info for him.. which is strange.If this is a case of an agent thinking Barnet is more worthy than the Fire than.. well I dont know.. fire the agent?
Not sure what happened to that post you quoted... It's possible, but unlikely. I posted it merely to be argumentative
Edgar Davids is player/manager at Barnet. That and the North London vibe may offset any difference in salary/stature between League 2 and MLS.
in the latest article, Klopas says that we have been trying to reach out and contact Rogers....so maybe they couldn't get a hold of him but its probably our team just messing things up lol
This thread asks the question "Who is running this team?" The answer is: no one. We have no president remember?
not sure how it's "messing things up". Ultimately Roger's rights wont be an issue anytime in the near future.
I think you guys are taking this as something its not. He tweeted that Monday afternoon, after the deal went public. The rumors that his rights were being traded were around for several days before that. Even assuming he doesn't load up mlssoccer.com every morning, I assume someone like him would have noticed or been notified that he was in the news for that. Yet he waited until after the deal was officially announced. Color me skeptical that he meant to imply he had no idea what was going on in the trade. That said, the answer from Frank on the conference call does seem to say that, so either Rogers really is in the dark, or Klopas is playing this close to the vest for some reason. Either way, Klopas and co. have killed it on the deals so far this season. Lindpere basically for free, Larentowicz for a pretty low draft pick. Santos, even at his salary, was a good free pick up through the re-entry draft. They haven't made any terrible MLS deals in a while, imo, so if they thought the Rogers rights were worth something in that trade, I'm willing to trust them, they've earned it.
You guys can sure make a mountain out of a molehill. Nowhere in that tweet does he say he wants to return to MLS and if he is, whether he refuses to play in Chicago. All he says "Oh...they traded my "rights" between teams", to me the underlying tone is bemusement at the various machinations MLS has in regard to player movement. To be fair, he's right...it's a whole lot of bullshit. The discovery process, the allocation list, trading rights to players who haven't been in the league for years and aren't signed. It's bullshit, the only reason they exist is so that MLS teams can collude* and avoid a player from auctioning off his talent and get teams into bidding wars. It only benefits the league and it's owners. The players know it and so they mock it. I don't think it means he wouldn't play for the Fire or sign with the league. Although, if it were up to me I would just trade him to Chivas USA for shit and giggles. He's local Chelis...totally local. *"blah blah...single-entity...blah blah"...I know, I know.
True, but he did not really say anything, other than confirming the story, with a bit of bewilderment at the system MLS has in place.
Well, Frank has pretty much confirmed that they didn't talk to the player or his management before including this as part of the trade now, correct? So we don't need to question the substance of the tweet anymore. Here's the deal for me. It's not really about Robby Rogers and what contact we had with him. It's about Oduro and the overall deal. Many of us, me included, were not happy with the prospect of an Oduro for Duka swap. Dominic has proven himself in MLS to be far more valuable than Duka. Duka may have upside, but with a team of players that are in their prime now and that are in their early 30s (and Arne), THIS is the time to win. Dom is 27 and just now entering his true prime and has 33 career MLS goals. Duka has 2. Ah, but Duka is a midfielder. He has 5 career assists while Dom has 17. When you factor in minutes played, their assist per minutes is virtually the same with Duka having a slightly higher production (one every 526 to Doms 562) but when it comes to goals, Dom scores on average nearly once every three games or every 289 minutes, Dilly scores a goal every 1,316 minutes. But then, you KNOW I hate stats. My deal is that Dom provides something that very few people provide in this league. World class speed that can change a game in the way that a team has to sit back and defend or get torched. That, to me, is a huge advantage when comparing him to other role players, including Duka. So, in my mind, the straight up trade was bad. Others chimed in that there "better be something else in the deal." Then we hear about the possibility of getting the rights to Rogers. Not a great deal, but now we are at least on to something of value right? You can't really answer that question without talking to the player or at least his agent. If he has no plans to return to MLS, then the trade is still essentially Oduro for Duka and a bad one. If he is thinking of coming back immediately, we either land a Nat quality player or have the rights to trade him for something else and the trade becomes much better. Now, it appears that we didn't do our "Dilly"gence in trying to figure this out, and that is a shame. Considering how long this deal took to get done, here is what should have gone down: Columbus: Hey Frank, you busy? We are looking at your bench and we are interested in Oduro. Frank: Okay. He's got world class speed that you can't coach and that is special. What do you got? Columbus: We are willing to part with former first round pick Dilly Duka. Frank: I'm sorry, we must have a bad connection. I thought you said you would trade Dilly Duka to us for Oduro. Columbus: That is what I said. Frank: I that case, I'm not sure how Jimmy Kimmel got a late night show and you didn't. That's some funny stuff. Call me when you are serious. Columbus: Frank, it's me again. We still hold the rights to Robbie Rogers. You can have them with Duka. Frank: Interesting. I'll call you back. Frank: Hey, Columbus is offering us the rights to Rogers in a trade. What's his deal? Is he open to coming back now? In a year? In three? If yes to any of those, is he open to Chicago? If not, what teams will he agree to sign with? Agent for Rogers: . . . If that didn't go down (and from Frank's comments, it appears that it did not as he is bizarrely trying to contact Rogers through his former club) then Frank is telling me that he is happy with the Duka for Oduro trade straight up because he can't have a clue what, if any, value those Rogers rights hold. So for me, it's not about those rights. We are back to the original straight up trade which straight up sucks. Someone said that the Rogers rights were just icing on the cake. I don't care what the icing tastes like if the cake just flat out sucks, then it's a bad cake.
If I had to choose one over the other, I'd pick Dom. But if he's going to be a locker room cancer or something then I'd say it's a good trade.
Two pages of posts and you finally conclude with a belabored point about it's not about the rights, it's a bad straight up trade, but if it were about the rights, the Fire fcuked up by not picking up the phone. After all is said and done (and you've contributed more than your fair share), the Fire still owns the rights to Robbie Rogers, a player who was recently released from Leeds United, a second-tiered club that loaned him to Stevenage, a third-tier club, that made no effort to keep him. If Robbie Rogers has any plans on maintaining his "national team caliber player" moniker, then he's going to have to get some quality playing time, and as a striker he's going to need to start scoring some goals. Maybe he's just a cocky SOB with a ton of confidence in an agent who can overcome pre-conceived perceptions about Yanks playing the English game and put a positive spin on that whole Leeds United - Stevenage track record, or maybe he ends up coming back to MLS like Rolfe, like Segares, or like a lot of other players who tested the waters abroad and came back to MLS. Bottom line, the Fire are betting there is a good chance Rogers is coming back to MLS and there is at least one club that will be interested in his services. If/when he does, the Fire will benefit (one way or another) from it.
No, I made the point that it was a bad trade in the 2013 roster thread, but I backed off that when the Rogers rights were thrown in. The fact that the Fire didn't pick up the phone means they are flying completely blind on the "rights" part of the trade and so we are back to square one with Duka for Dom. Too many "ifs" and "maybes" in this. You may very well be right, but why trade for something when you have no idea of the value of that thing. Hell, if Stevenage doesn't want him then perhaps he is not worth the time anyway. That is the bottom line and it is a bet. The Las Vegas airport departure gates are full of people who don't do so well betting without any advantage or information. I'm not sure why some of you are turning this into me v. other fans. Shouldn't we ALL want the Fire to do their homework to squeeze out the most value possible from a trade?