2013 MLS Superdraft

Discussion in 'FC Dallas' started by Clint Eastwood, Jan 14, 2013.

  1. Scipio Gothicus

    Aug 6, 2001
    Cabo San Lucas
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I understand picking Zim, and I expect his injury was part of the reason he fell to FCD. Hollingshead makes no sense, and this is the kind of move we have become used to. Even if he does decide to play, I would have to doubt his commitment. As soon as things go south, he may go on to other things. It is not over yet. There are still talented players out there, and a supplemental draft. This would be an excellent chance to pick by need, and to get the influential schemer I covet. Or simply throw these picks away. Let us hope that the brain trust performs better. -SD
     
  2. stopper4

    stopper4 Member

    Jan 24, 2000
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like the Zimmerman pick for a number of reasons: Ugo may never play again, George John is good for at least 3-4 weeks worth of injuries during any given year; and it seems like our all our defenders in Academy pipeline are talented, but tiny. (I LOL'ed at DC using their only pick on a guy Mikey Ambrose out-played last year).

    I don't think we have too many central defenders, because I still think Woodberry's a right back. He just played central defender @ UMD because their other central defenders were pathetic. If I recall correctly, he was more of a flank midfielder during his time w/ the initial Academy team. Remember this?
    http://www.3rddegree.net/2009/01/31/monday-morning-gaffer-intra-squad-scrimmage/

    He seems to have grown-up, filled-out, and learned to play some defense at Maryland.

    I people whining about not filling any 'need positions' need to wait a bit......grade the entire off-season, not necessarily just the draft.
     
  3. theodore

    theodore Member

    Nov 7, 2003
    Okay, a couple of baseless thought about Hollingshead. I don't know what his level of play will be. However, I know that his commitment to missionary work in Haiti is pretty much in line with the heart of the FCD organization. Remember how touched and supportive that SH and the team were when they hosted the HNT after the earthquake. I am not sure exactly how, but maybe being an FCD player and a Haitian missionary go hand in hand.

    Also, a new trend in soccer, (an old trend becoming a new trend again), is to sport a 3 man back line. All the cool clubs are doing it. You get three very athletic kick SS center backs, and allow for some pacey guys to bring the ball up the field on the wings without having to defend. The depth chart might dramatically change in this type of system change.

    And I always like adding the most talented kid out of a draft. You can fill a need any day of the week in the offseason. But, you are out the pick, so as a value add.... go with the biggest talent. Evidently we did. Welcome to big D Zimmerman.

    (Do we celebrate the new Santos forward signing as highly as any college stud forward? )
     
  4. ArsenalTexan3

    ArsenalTexan3 Member

    Arsenal
    Sep 24, 2002
    Jakarta
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Is it official? Only thing I have seen was on twitter and it was him saying he was joining FCD.
     
  5. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I also think we have to take into consideration that since Hyndman has been the coach, we've drafted defensive players very successfully (Loyd, Hedges, John).

    During Hyndman's reign he's selected some GenAd attacking players that have simply not worked out (Marosevic, Wiedeman).

    So it seems to me that Hyndman/Clavijo and company have decided to build the from the back in the draft, and sign on attacking players from abroad. It's a fine approach I guess.

    We must remember that after this draft.............arguably the best centerback left in the NCAAs is an FCD academy product. We're probably going to need to make room next year for Boyd Okwuono as another CB/RB option. If it weren't for his injury, the starting CB pair for U20 World Cup qualifying would probably have been Zimmerman and Okwuono. (Brooks being unavailable from Hertha, and Packwood of Birmingham having broken his leg) That's part of the reason I didn't see taking a teenage centerback this year as a priority. After all, we could have taken Lopez. He was rated by TDS as the #1 talent on the board. (I know rankings are subjective and meaningless) So we would have gotten high value AND filled a need with a LOCAL player who happened to be GenAd!!!

    I know, I know...............you can't have too many centerbacks. Although as far as I can tell we have no real quality plan as a backup to Benitez on the left. And we haven't re-signed Loyd on the right. And I'm not convinced we've come close to replacing DeGuzman. And if we lose Shea to the Gold Cup, who's gonna play on the left of midfield? And if the seemingly injury-prone Ferreira is out long-term, what's the plan? So...............I'm glad we have 6 centerbacks.
     
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  6. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    NCAA (American school soccer generally) does not produce good midfielders. Take a look at the USMNT: The cb's are college boys and the forwards are too but the mids are all Germans and Bob Bradley's kid. We have forwards and cb's in England but no mids except Holden. Midfield is the worst part of the American game. Lopez? Nah. Fereira will be 10 times better at age 35. Schellas did the right thing. Hollingshead is actually a goal scorer and assist guy whom I see as a link up forward type playing Castillo's role which may be one reason it was not so necessary to have him right away. Ferreira's replacement should be another Ferreira, just younger.
     
  7. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Lopez doesn't play the same position as Ferreira.

    At UNC Lopez was more of the holding midfielder and our own Daniel Garcia was more of the central attacking midfielder. Lopez, Powers, or Stertzer would have been brought in to try to help fill the hole left by de Guzman's departure.

    Plenty of central midfielders come from the NCAAs that end up being USMNT caliber. Graham Zusi is a recent example. Brad Davis, Alejandro Bedoya, Maurice Edu, Benny Feilhaber, and on and on and on. Don't forget that Geoff Cameron was a midfielder in the NCAAs before Houston converted him to a defender.

    Clubs aren't looking for "superstars" in the draft. David Ferreira is a designated player for a reason. They're looking for players that can contribute immediately and be "trained up" to possibly be USMNT players. Andrew Jacobson was the 24th pick in the draft and he's a starter for us. Geoff Cameron was the 42nd player in the draft. Those are the kinds of players available in the 2nd round. Instead of taking Ian Christianson, a really good player of that ilk from Georgetown (picked right after our selection by RBNY), we drafted a guy who's not sure he wants to play professionally. We just have to hope that Clavijo has it on good authority that Hollingshead will play for us, or else we just wasted a draft pick. And draft picks are how you build up the depth in your squad.
     
  8. ArsenalTexan3

    ArsenalTexan3 Member

    Arsenal
    Sep 24, 2002
    Jakarta
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I have no problem with the Zimmerman pick. GA and can help provide cover at CD. What puzzles me is there was a player(Christianson?) who could play both rb and lb which would also make sense as you have cover for Lego Manic and the guy everyone loves to hate.

    I wouldn't rate this draft a bust, but 'I' for incomplete as alot depends on Hollingshead and if he signs or not.
     
  9. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    What position does Hollingshead play? He's listed as a midfielder/forward on his UCLA page. Is he a winger type?

    You know with that Brek Shea rumor I'm just wondering whether they took a more attacking player with that pick #20 for a reason.
     
  10. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Looks like we agree with the difference that you put a much different valuation on the specific names you mention than I would. Let's assume that we both rate Zusi (I do). Zusi probably is not good enough to get a starting job with the Hammers in midfield. We shall see. He probably got the USMNT call up based on our need for somebody who could play wide right forward in the absence of Donovan. Oddly you cite Cam as proof that NCAA produces good mids when the fact is that he was moved to defender in EPL, thereby supporting the very point I was making: USA scholastic soccer produces good defenders and forwards, not mids. EDU: JK wants to use him as a defender. I have always rated his defensive skills but he is no top tier mid. Please forgive me if I dont have time to compare Bedoya, Feilhaber and Davis to Wilshere, Scholes, et al.
     
  11. 3rd Degree

    3rd Degree Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Turns out he's joining the U18s Academy team. Not a professional.
     
  12. 3rd Degree

    3rd Degree Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    right footed, but plays mostly left side wide mid in college.
     
  13. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Aha! I take back my pages of complaints about the Hollingshead pick. If I had known that Shea was leaving, I wouldn't have subjected everybody to that! Left mid obviously was more of a position of need than I realized on draft day.

    Hollingshead is a good player. If in fact he does play..............we could even argue that he's a steal in the 2nd round.
     
  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    MLS Supplemental draft prospects to think about:

    http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/coll...upplemental-draft:-ten-sleeper-picks_aid28362

    F Will Bates, Virginia
    F Ashton Bennett, Coastal Carolina
    MF/D Ryan Clark, Monmouth
    MF Machael David, UC Santa Barbara
    MF Uwem Etuk, West Virginia
    D Shaun Foster, Hofstra
    D Joe Franco, Cal State Northridge
    MF Jose Gomez, Creighton
    F Adam Jahn, Stanford
    F Chris Thomas, Elon
    Other players: MF Ben Fisk (Washington), MF Marc Cintron (Providence), D Eric Schoenle (West Virginia), Jacob Barron (Penn State), Jordan Gafa (North Carolina)

    The supplemental draft takes place today at 1 pm central time. Former supplemtal draft picks include Chris Wondolowski, Jeff Larentowicz, Dan Kennedy, and other contributors.

    There are 4 rounds, and FCD has the 7th pick in each round.
     
  15. Scipio Gothicus

    Aug 6, 2001
    Cabo San Lucas
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Supplemental Draft
    First Round, Cameron Brown, mid or winger. UNT 'Heels. Local kid, played with Solar. Had injury problems, question if he ever really recovered. Need cover at this position.
    Second Round, Kule Zobeck, GK, Valpo Crusaders. Makes sense if he is better than the Academy player.
     
  16. Scipio Gothicus

    Aug 6, 2001
    Cabo San Lucas
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Third Round, Cam Wilder, mid, Kentucky Wildcats. Shifted from attacking mid to d mid and did well. Possibly a good pick.
    Fourth Round, TJ Nelson, SMU. Golf cart incident.
     
  17. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    ...golf cart incident?
     
  18. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Scipio has surprising knowledge. Spy network?
     
  19. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I don't think the Zobeck pick makes any sense.

    Are we going to carry 4 keepers? I see little hope for this kid to make the roster. Then again, when you look at the numbers league-wide, few supplemental pics are making rosters these days.

    We're not cutting Sanchez (a homegrown who may start for Mexico's U20 national team this summer) to make room for a guy from Valpo.

    If they have plans to move Seitz or Sanchez soon...........then it makes sense. Maybe a big Mexican club has put a sizeable offer on the table for Sanchez?
     
  20. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps they are lining up a loan for Sanchez? Would be nice for him to get experience and let someone else take the lumps of inexperience.
     
  21. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    It's certainly possible.

    Many of us questioned the move for Fernandez when we already had Seitz and Sanchez, and could get a player like Zobeck as the #3.

    For the most part supplemental picks are shots in the dark these days. The club saw something they liked, and will bring them in for pre-season. If they see something they really like, they'll keep the player around. If not........they'll be gone.

    Who was FCD's last supplemental draft pick that saw any significant playing time with the club? Alex Lee made the club last season, but only saw a little playing time.

    Our 2011 supplemental draft picks were Alexis Pradié, Paul Ogunyemi, Kekoa Osorio, and Craig Hill. That's about what teams normally get.

    Once in a while there's an absolute diamond in the rought like Chris Wondolowski and Jeff Larentowicz. But of course, a guy like Wondo didn't make an impact with the team that actually drafted him in the supplemental rounds.

    With the number of homegrown signings that FCD makes, it's hard to see supplemental picks making the squad very often.
     
  22. Scipio Gothicus

    Aug 6, 2001
    Cabo San Lucas
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Indeed, I do. My sources have told me that he either has or has not been implicated in one or more Golf Cart Incidents.

    They also tell me that, while he played d mid at SMU, his natural position is winger. He played d mid because of his range, but he is probably too small to play the position in the MLS. He does like to get back and play defense, a quality that SH likes. Also, a new assistant coach knows him well.

    So the depth at wingers has been addressed. As to the post above, I would suspect that the likelihood of these players making the team has to do with just what there is as the academy level. Is there the talent there, on the edges, that can contribute right away if they are needed? More so than the players selected in the supplemental draft? That should be what determines who stays.

    A certain fellow named Abe was drafted in the second round of the supplemental draft, and gave the side four years of solid service.

    Dead but dreaming,
    Scipio Diabolus,
    vox fatum.

    Contra.

    Forever in horns.
     
  23. stopper4

    stopper4 Member

    Jan 24, 2000
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That article certainly doesn't fill me with confidence, but i think that interview was done before the superdraft (notice he doesn't mention FCD once)....maybe things have changed?
     
  24. oman

    oman Member

    Jan 7, 2000
    South of Frisconsin
    Yeah, but I still shudder when I think of Abe trying to run.
     

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