Spurs and Everton: The Race for 4th -- The Other Teams Thread

hhahaha steping stone to get to prem . hahaha epl fan boys njust look at messi ronaldinho and other world class players who never wanted to come to prem and see what they were saying. they all have said a cliche like dream it is a great league great fans and blah blah blah same with pep why do you think that is it is because epl media is so annoying that they will say anything just to get away from epl media. and bundesliga steping stone to epl why would he go to epl where every player have two left feet nobody knows how to hold posession and the league is boring and on decline.

 

I don't understand this, Chelsea/City/Milan would be a challenge but Bayern won't be? I don't see how him going to a club that suits him the best (one that won't fire him over bullshit and one with a great youth system that he can build from) is not a challenge. I take it from your comment that you believe anyone could have coached that Barca team to the trophies they won, and as a result Pep is nothing special and needs to prove himself under other conditions. This is the same logic that Messi's true test is single-handedly leading a low-table team to a championship. Both are irrational belittling of one's achievements based purely on a personal distaste for the person.

It is likely that one day Pep will go to the EPL, but you're right seeing Bundesliga as a "stepping stone" to England ignores the fact that the EPL just isn't that good. All leagues have their problems, some very serious (television rights distribution in Spain, match fixing in Italy, ref bias in England and Spain, etc.) but, and this is just my opinion, the leagues that play the most entertaining football are in Spain and Germany. While your comment may be a bit extreme, there is definitely some truth in what you say; I'm sure a lot of those statements as you said are to appease the English media and the quality of the league is in decline. I don't want to get into this league is better than the other, as certainly no one league is miles beyond any other, but I highly doubt anyone looking at the situation objectively would say EPL is by far the best league in the world and the one that managers ultimately aspire to reach.

 

not sure what you don't understand, but that's not something i said.
let's look....
barcelona, 1 horse in a 2 horse race, with an obviously decent team already coming through and a budget that blows every other spanish team, bar possibly 1, and 99.9% of all the other teams in the world into the weeds.
bayern munich, 1 horse in not even a 2 horse race, with a runaway team this season and a budget that blows every other german team and most other teams in the world into the weeds.

 

epl has nothing to offer to pep players with two left feet teams to whom possesion is an alien word and so on. who should he go to chelsea epl is manchester league and this year is a one horse league.

 

So is Arsenal a horse in the EPL horse race or is it just an Arse?

 

I was going to reply but stupidity doesn't allow for conversation, heads in the sand etc etc.

 

arsenal with wenger is flogging a dead horse.
guardiola seems to want to take the least challenging for the greatest return. it won't prove much.

 

Puncheon with a ripper volley to put Souths level with Chelscum.

 

rooney skies a ball to hand penalty.

 

Scholesy just got away with a stone cold red card. Almost snapped Matt Taylor's leg in half.

 

Now that I look at it, stepping stone was the wrong word to use. Pep did say not long ago that he was open to managing in the prem someday. I'm sure he will win many trophies in Germany-then come to the EPL.

 

Which would in turn make Germany a stepping stone, which in turn makes your comment correct.

 

yeah... and this is why most German clubs are selling clubs, including Bayern.

Yet when Ronaldinho was in his prime, the premier league had Ronaldo, Henry, Rooney, Vieira, Drogba, and other non-world class players....

I am English, but our league has more media exposure, and a superior recent record in Europe and frankly ever. the last German team to win the Champions League was over 12 years ago. And apart from Bayern, the next biggest German clubs (let's say Dortmund, Hamburg and Schalke) are small in international terms.

 

When it's easier to do so in Germany than England.

 

Since when is Bayern a "selling club"?

 

he doesnt know what he is talking about, lol.

 

Do you know what was taking place in Germany during this time?

We certainly were not selling out our clubs to rich Arabs, American Tycoons with their fancy debt financing, neither did we become a Johnnie Come Lately with the aid of Russian Mafias.

Rather, during the recent (past decade is in rather recent in the grand scheme of things) years we were busy building our youth academies, investing in modern facilities and developing a solid fiscal foundation to ensure we don't go the way the aforementioned clubs.

Now that these things are in place let see what the future holds and if the last 3-4 years are any indication this is just the start of the butt hurt for you clones.

Ask dear old Wenger how hard to is to win trophies while maintaining financial prudence?

 

Teams like Liverpool/arsenal/etc can not compete in today's epl.
Especially now that the tycoons and sheiks have swarmed in.

Chelsea and mancity are an example of what short team success is.
ManU is an example of what long term success is.

Arsenal was part of this long term tree, until it was forced to sell and maintain FFP...

Unlike cheslki and mancity which I still don't understand how FFP isn't knocking on their door yet??

 

didn't abramhovich write off the debt the club owed him (putting them in profit for the first time in years)? plus they held back on transfer spending (comparatively) in at least 1 recent season (maybe 2, i'd need to go check).
man city...well, they cheated too. they pulled that "super"sponsorship move before anyone was really ready for it.

 

Lol at the arrogany bayern fans. Obviously a much bigger club than us but this crusade is funny. They have a big advantage over every other side in germany but failed in the last 2 years....im not sure why pep wod want to manage city btw or chelsea. He wants some stability id guess but will he get it at bayern? I have money on them in the cl this year and I expect them to tonk us but u bYern fans need to understand this is the arsenal forum

 

Its not about Arsenal or any individual team but the condescending remarks about Germany being a 1 horse league or the the "he wanted it easy" arguments just cheapens the whole discussion.

Past Decade: (BTW its gets worse the further you go back)

Bundelisga 5 different winners with Bayern having won it last in 09/10, and only 1 double or repeat championship seasons in the time span.

EPL 4 different winners with 3-peats by Chelsea and your newly crown champions ManC having won it last year to help make it respectable. In that 10yr span Arsenal 1 title, Manc 1 title and the rest dominated by Chelski and Manu.

SPL (Do we really have to go there, but I will)
3 Different winners with Valencia getting one and Barca and Madrid running a muck.

Seria A (another sham)
3 Winners, 5 in a row by Inter, 1 non winner due to match fixing... (who cares you get the point)

I'll grant you that we've not had a consistent threat for some time (mainly during the restructuring phase) but that is mainly due to the financial resources available to other clubs. They mount serious challenges but can't sustain it because of squad size and players departing to other teams. (Really hoping Dortmund sticks around, I really like there Klopp is doing over there)

Also strangely enough their end up being victims of their own success because of increased CL or EL matches which take away some of their focus and energy levels again this is mainly due to small roster sizes.

Honestly folks just need to take their head out the EPL bubble and wake up to what the world knows - EPL ain't all what its made out to be. Its a media hyped stage show with a bunch of financially crippled clubs running on borrowed time.

 

in 2010/11 bayern munich's revenue was 55-60% higher than the next nearest bundesliga club, and 130% more than the 3rd highest.
in 2010/11 bayern munich's wage bill was 159% higher than the next nearest bundesliga club.
in the 3 seasons from 2009/10 bayern munich's transfer spend was double what the whole of the rest of the bundesliga put together spent.
any manager who doesn't achieve success with bayern munich in the bundesliga should hide their head in shame and get the f**k out of football.
what does that say? i'll tell you: ONE HORSE RACE.
if you find that condescending then that's your problem. suck it up and grow a set.

 

after suarez admits to diving, rodgers says that's unacceptable and liverpool will discipline him.

 

because of annoying english media he sighned with bayern in december so that wasjust lies to get english media of him