2012 Race for the White House II: The Two Towers

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  1. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
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    The WSJ editorial board goes them one better by routinely ignoring the excellent reporting in their own pages and treating Art Laffer like some kind of bona fide intellectual. Just because you're on the editorial board of a business publication doesn't mean you're an economics genius, apparently.

    Speaking of genius businessmen, then there's Jack Welch who has made of himself a fine spectacle lately.
     
  2. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    Mitt Romney. That was an easy one, despite his aspirations to conservative severity. I predict that as president he won't once gather the Dems together for a phony kumbaya moment and say "scoreboard, bitch" like Obama did with the GOP.
     
  3. billyireland

    billyireland Member+

    May 4, 2003
    Sydney, Australia
    He's got to become president first. Which, you know, kind of isn't happening.

    I am quite sure Tom was referring to 'centrist' by overall US political standards by the way, not by GOP standards.
     
  4. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
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    As if Bill Clinton inherited the 2008 economy. Romnesia is all the rage in the echo chamber these days.
     
  5. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    Yes, I believe that you are down under all right.
     
  6. billyireland

    billyireland Member+

    May 4, 2003
    Sydney, Australia
    Until the 20th, yeah... then it's off to NZ or Canada most likely, after a few weeks in the Gili Islands.

    Is there a point to your post?
     
  7. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    Enjoy your trip. Try not to let our choice of president get you too angry. Life is too short.
     
  8. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
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    Upon what do you base your assessment that Mitt Romney is, by pretty much any definition of the word, "centrist"?
     
  9. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

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    [​IMG]

    Being an unscrupulous flip flopper with no convictions of your own is not the same as being a moderate. Ezra Klein has Mr. Etch-A-Sketch pegged:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-01/running-the-data-on-a-romney-presidency.html

    "The truth is that Romney isn’t a hard-core conservative -- but he’s willing to act as one. Nor is he a genuine moderate -- unless that’s what the situation calls for.

    At this point, neither voters nor Romney have sufficient data to know how he would govern. With a Republican Congress, he would govern from the right. With a Democratic Congress, he would move to the center. If he faces a divided Congress, he will look for compromise to get “the best possible thing done.” Without knowing the composition of Congress, we can’t know the kind of president Romney would be."
     
  10. billyireland

    billyireland Member+

    May 4, 2003
    Sydney, Australia
    Why would I be angry when Obama gets re-elected?

    Makes no sense.
     
  11. Smiley321

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    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    If Bill Clinton is a moderate, it is. You gave a narrow-minded partisan description of a pragmatist.

    True, I'd prefer a guy who's got firm opinions on everything, but I'll take a competent pragmatist over a proven incompetent ideologue like Obama.
     
  12. chaski

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    Mar 20, 2000
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    Is that Rafalca?
     
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  13. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
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    Really, what color IS the sky in your world?
     
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  14. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
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    Who said Bill Clinton was a moderate? Not me. He is basically Romney's model, though. And this is their favorite movie title:

    [​IMG]

    So you're voting Green Party then. I admit, I did not see that one coming.
     
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  15. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    Because that is evidently the only possible outcome in your dreamworld. It will take you awhile to realize that there's some other guy who won. Advil may help.
     
  16. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
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    Yep. That pic was taken right after he heard Ryan's economic plans.
     
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  17. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    I did vote the Personal Choice party in 2004. But their best candidate died.
     
  18. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
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  19. chaski

    chaski Moderator
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    Mar 20, 2000
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    That's why The Economist picked Obama.
     
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  20. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    They like incompetent ideologues?
     
  21. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
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    That's the scary thing about a Romney presidency. You can only hide behind congress for so long. Especially on the world stage every president gets called into a pivotal critical decision at least once in his presidency.

    Who's going to make that decision? Romney? Dan Senor? Dick Cheney on a conference call? Netanyahu? There's so many hands up that puppet's ass I don't know what to think.

    To be fair the Obama candidacy was plagued by this question too, but his campaign wasn't riddled with one foreign policy gaffe after another. He also had the one critical point he could reference to ensure us of his good judgement ... and that was his early opposition to the Iraq war.
     
  22. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
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    Read for yourself:

    http://www.economist.com/news/leade...sadly-mitt-romney-does-not-fit-bill-which-one

    Ramesh Ponnuru is extremely bitter about it:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332305/economists-obama-endorsement-ramesh-ponnuru

    Brad DeLong gets snarky about it:

    http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2012/11/the-economist-endorses-barack-obama.html

    Now that raging bolsheviks like Bloomberg and the Economist editorial board have broken lockstep and backed Obama, it will be interesting to see if others in business follow.
     
  23. billyireland

    billyireland Member+

    May 4, 2003
    Sydney, Australia
    Hey, I've offered it to you before and I'll offer it again:

    Obama wins the election, and you get a forum ban for 6-12 months.
    Romney wins the election, and I get a forum ban for FOUR YEARS.

    So are you going to take up the bet this time, or no?
     
  24. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    Why do you think that a four year forum ban for you has any value to me?
     
  25. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
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    United States
    Whatever the poll numbers are at the time, apparently.
     

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