Purdue doesn't have a club team anymore...rant about title IX!

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I went to BYU which is about 51/49 - a bit more women than men. With what you said an equal number of teams would make sense.

It sounds like you had some great events. That's what people need - discussion and education, and a concert at the end.

 

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Ahhh, JMU's ratio is a bit bigger than that, I forget what the exact numbers are. Lotsa women (soccerkillers!). But our campaign was a lot of fun, got to meet a bunch of cool people and learn all kinds of things.

 

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That one is my bad. I wasn't talking about you. I'm sorry there was confusion. Looking at my post I realize I worded it wrong.

I was responding to your idea that “ someone isn't necessarily exposing masculine insecurities by griping about title IX.” I agree with your assessment but I was putting my original statement with regard to Flannigan into perspective.

It was a one word mistake. Here's a corrected version...

 

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This is a tremendously entertaining thread - if you're entertained by watching someone's argument get pummelled to death mercilessly.

Anyway, I can tell you that I'm pretty sure that OU's lack of a men's team, at least, doesn't have anything to do with Title IX. OU's men's varsity team went club in '81 or '82 - their last coach was a grad student by the name of Bob Bradley.

 

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I didn't think we'd disagreed before so I was a bit surprised. Honest mistake. Don't even worry about it.

 

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Just as an aside, Purdue has one of the most competitive rowing club teams in the nation. They are competitive against many of the schools sponsoring NCAA teams. Of course, none of those women rowing at Purdue would be doing it if it weren't for the scholarship money they aren't getting. Women don't really have an interest in sports.

Is it Title IX denying all of the women rowers at Purdue the opportunity to compete at the varsity level? What about at all the other schools with clubs? There are a *lot* more women club teams than there are schools with varsity teams. What's that all about?

 

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Not true, unless you think the team would be just as good without Bocanegra, Pope, etc.

 

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That image should be the title of the thread.

I have to spread the reputation before giving it to you again, sadly.

 

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I think we've been over that, haven't we? The exception to the rule (and the phrase "on balance"), and the fact that we seem to think Bocanegra and Pope didn't spring fully-formed from the heads of Sigi Schmid and Elmar Bolowich.

I mean, I see your point - yes, there will be those guys for whom college is a nice development ground, but they seem to be outnumbered by those who don't seem to need it.

 

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What I was replying to was this statement of yours.

Answer me this question - how is Title IX killing soccer (it's a fact, right?) when the most recent statistics available show that men's soccer is at an all-time high in almost every category. Division II has lost some steam, but Division II is an enigma.

Never been more Division I teams.
Never been more Division I players.
Never been more overall teams.
Never been more overall players.
Never been a higher percentage of overall members with teams.

But it's a fact that Title IX is killing men's soccer, you say. This has nothing to do with comparative popularity to other sports. This has to do with you saying something is a fact when it's a fallacy.

Saying Title IX is killing men's soccer is an insult to the sports that have really been gutted by Title IX.

 

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EDIT: I'm so confused. I'm an idiot.

 

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... but development isn't what I'm talking about.

My point is that scholarships to first-choice colleges are often a decisive factor for a young athlete. If not for scholarship options in soccer, Pope and Bocanegra would've played college football instead.

 

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I think you misread his quote. (They *aren't* getting scholarship money--thus, they're in rowing for the love of it. The last line about women not liking sports was, I assume, sarcastic.)

 

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Judging by the context, I think you're right. It's too early for sarcasm!

 

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Fine. Can you at least concede that, the case of Bocanegra, Pope and a few others aside, college soccer is less important to the continued success of the national team than it's being made out to be by the starter of the thread, who is alerting us to the falling of the sky?

In any case, it's not the UCLAs and North Carolinas and Indianas of the world who are being (seemingly) negatively impacted by these cuts - we're talking about a club team at Purdue.

If everything in TF's world boils down to (at least on the surface) "How will this help us win the World Cup?" the specific point in the thread should be "This makes not a lick of difference in the entire world."

In general terms, we can debate all day (and have) about Title IX's implementation, football factories, Carlos Bocanegra, women's rowing, rugby scholarships, participation rates, and Lord knows what else.

But it seems as though TF's entire thesis in all of these threads is "I'm a soccer fan - I want the US Men to win the World Cup, and someone is throwing these obstacles in their way." In this case, I think he's wrong.

In most cases, I think he's wrong, but there's gray area in some of the rantings.

 

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I hope so.

 

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Texas has only SMU, but Florida has Central Florida, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Jacksonville University, South Florida, and Stetson.

And yet, somehow, some way, some players from Texas have actually managed to make it to college to play soccer, and some have made it to professional soccer. Imagine that.

 

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The Floridian boys are playing baseball instead.





If we're going to talk Bocanegra, there should always be pictures involved.

 

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Not to get all caught up in a minor point, but Florida, particularly the Tampa Bay area, is now producing more pro football players and less baseball players.

Nowadays, you can't expect to win a national championship in college football if you don't recruit in SoCal or Tampa.

Better than Julie, I suppose.

 

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Football sucks, I disregard its existence.

 

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Florida has always produced a lot of both.

Without looking at the rosters of all the NFL teams and all the minor league baseball teams, I'd have no way of knowing which has the lead at the moment. But Florida, Texas, and California have seemingly always produced lots of football and baseball players, partly because of geography, partly because of population, I guess.

Unfortunately, their soccer players are unable to go to the colleges of their choice, which kept Cory Gibbs from playing professionally, or making it to the national team level.

 

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All I know is half of our Cape League team played for schools in Florida, and most of the Florida schools had their baseball teams in post-season play the last weekend or two. One of the teams is going to the CWS (but I'm hoping they lose).

 

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That would be the logical explanation, but I get the impression that Tampa Bay metro and Miami-Dade produce a disproportionate number of prep football players than other heavily populated metro areas.