Obama Failure Thread Part V

Common TPH you're a party pooper... I wanted to read more non sense before explaining to our current version of RWTP that there is difference between deficit and debt, although they're connected... You went full phD on them, now they're going to be scared for a while..

 

There you go. You libs are always blaming Bush. When is Obama going to accept any responsibility?

 

not to worry, if Dems don't go out and vote and Romney ends up winning, 2013 and 2014 at least will belong to Obama

 

This doesn't sound right. I was led to believe getting a government-issued photo ID didn't represent a hardship for people who have no reliable transportation and/or have busy/inflexible schedules.

 

How did the stimulus prevent us from plunger deeper? Proof would be great.

Unemployment was supposed to be 5.1 percent in July 2012 because of the stimulus.
The stimulus was supposed to keep unemployment below eight percent.

Neither happened with the stimulus.

 

Interesting no one commented on.

 

Your source is the Moonies.

 

*laugh* I saw a news story on some lady in Philadelphia that went to get her photo ID and it took 4 hours at the DMV to do it.

 

Because in person voter fraud is NOT a problem, its a red herring so Republicans can suppress the vote of historically Democratic voters (poor, minorities, young, etc). There has been something like 10 verifiable cases of in person voter fraud in the last decade and the fraud swung absolutely zero elections. Voter fraud only works if you change thousands of votes and there are much easier ways of doing it than faking to be someone. Find a some homeless people, register them to vote, pay them $10 to vote a certain way. Hack the voting machines, or the elections department's computers and have them record the votes differently. All of which are better methods for voting fraud and much less prone to be tracked back to the actual culprits.

Besides, if you want to commit voter fraud, you aren't going to do it in person, it's by mail voters where most of the voting fraud takes place. While there have only been 10 cases of in person voter fraud, there have been almost 500 cases of by mail voter fraud. Voting by mail does not require you to show your ID, so none of those cases would have been prevented by voter id laws.

 

Did you see the video I posted above?

 

I'm certainly not ignoring the stimulus, I just don't think it helped as much as most of you do.

As for the ACA, all it has done so far is add to the uncertainty, keeping money that could have been used by the private sector to advance the economy from being used. Instead, businesses decided to stay on the sidelines until all the aspects of the ACA could be understood.

 

Sure, the stimulus could have been bigger.

Anyway, how much do you think other people think it helped? The point of the stimulus was to arrest the economic decline and it did exactly that. A bolder one was probably preferable, but there wasn't the political will.

We've already talked about the "uncertainty" canard. Let's try harder.

 

First, that's not true as written. Some businesses in some cases deferred some decisions due to the ACA, that is the most you can write with accuracy.

How many businesses in how many cases and how many decisions? Nobody knows, that's just telling stories. We all can tell stories.

 

I know what you're talking about, but, yet again, in person impersonation voter fraud is not an issue. It can happen, but the frequency and the benefits of voter fraud via in person impersonation is extremely low. It would take a massive organization that simply can not go undiscovered for in person impersonation voter fraud schemes to work.

Impersonation fraud is almost exclusively done via mail because you can have one person sitting at their kitchen table filling out ballot after ballot and the odds of the fraudster actually getting caught are pretty low. The other, more common forms of voter fraud are felons that vote despite having their voting rights removed and people that are registered more than once voting multiple times. Yet again, none of these other forms of voting fraud are not going to be caught by voter ID laws.

 

The problem is that the polling official was going to let the reporter vote in Eric Holder's place. If the polling worker was required to ask for an Id - the reporter would have to back down.

 

The stimulus was supposed to kick start economic growth. It didn't.

As for your putting to bed the issue of uncertainty, try this.

 

Did too!

 

Had the stimulus been bigger we would have been deeper in debt.

Didn't President Obama promise that unemployment would not touch eight percent if the stimulus was passed.
According to the stimulus plan - unemployment was supposed to be 5.1 percent.

How can you call the stimulus a success?

 

So your saying some businesses deferring decisions - no matter how many is a good thing. I say any business that defers because of ACA is bad.

 

*laugh* And it would have been 1 vote out of hundreds of thousands. It would not have changed anything. Seriously, for once try thinking for yourself. In the last 10 years there have been almost a thousand identified cases of voter fraud out of the hundreds of millions of votes during that time frame. Of those thousand identified cases, 10 have been in person impersonation fraud... Voter fraud is not an issue in the grand scheme of things, but even if you accept that voter fraud is an issue, voter ID laws would only prevent a whopping 1% of those. However, in preventing that 1% of voter fraud, they are preventing the voters of thousands of voters. Seriously, in Pennsylvania the estimate is that 1/4 of legitimate voters will not be able to cast a vote..

Besides, it's not like the Republicans are actually interested in preventing voter fraud. They are doing it for voter suppression. You know how we know this? Because Republicans are too f**king stupid to keep their mouths shut and they flat out admit it.

 

Please provide evidence of a business deferring "decisions" based on ACA.

 

He's got a links that list something like 10 reasons why businesses aren't hiring despite record profits and one of the reasons about it being a complicated environment out there and businesses aren't sure if the recovery will continue and are unclear on the impact of ACA on their business.

 

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/05/23/why-arent-companies-hiring-/

Healthcare is the third highest reason.

 

Not a single specific company/business is named in that link.

 

My company has hired over 300 people in the last 2 years.