What does it matter, Monty? If it's just a constant stream of the same bitching about things you don't believe are ever going to change, what does it matter? Just step aside and be done with it. Typically this stuff doesn't bother me. I just ignore this place and don't bother associating with the Dungeons & Dragons set, but this thread sent me over the edge. It's like you could throw out any topic on these boards and it'll lead right back to, "Ugg everything sucks!" Call it "One Degree of Kraft Out." Doesn't matter what's discussed, what thing the Revs are doing or trying it's all the same spiel. A guy can't even come on here and talk about having a good time with his kid without getting shouted down. Go figure. Whatever, it's not like I frequent these boards but I just want to be sure you're all aware none of you are helping the situation. God forbid things actually ever improve with this club. You'll be left with nothing to do.
Many people already have. I'm on that edge now. And our front office doesn't care at all. Neither do some of our fans that the die-hards are departing. Complaining apparently is just too much to take.
Yeah, what does it matter that attendance continues to drop. This team will be here forever even when only 10k are showing up and no one really cares. God forbid people bitch about something they care about and want to fix. It's much more important that we don't offend your delicate sensibilities.
The more I read this comment, the more I get pissed off. Because this is pretty much what the Revs front office thinks (IMO) when they lose someone that cares so much. Not "How can we stop losing these fans?" but "Well, good luck! We'll get some family to show up once a year, that'll cover your not being there." Pathetic. Pathetic that a fellow fan has that attitude, pathetic that this organization does.
I'll make sure to waive at you on the capo stand. "New England 'Till I Die... New England 'Till I Die... New England 'Till I Uggggh Kraft Sucks... New England 'Till I Ugggh Everything Sucks... New England 'Till I Uggh What is the Front Office Doing to Make Me Happy?... New England 'Till I Uggh I Mean What ELSE is the Front Office Doing to Make Me Happy."
Classic response. Or something. Obviously you know who I am. You also then know that while I'm at the game, I sing for a full 90 minutes in support of the boys on the field. I give everything I have while the game is going on. But I'm not just going to sit and blindly support here as well.
You're a disgrace. You're getting mad at people for actually caring about this team and voicing their displeasure with an owner who cares less about the team than they do. Fans like Monty are irreplaceable, fans like you are a dime a dozen. You'll be replaced by some other family who decided to go a Revs game instead of a night at the circus or a dinner at Chili's. They'll sit there, content with the team, regardless of the results or the gameday experience. Kraft can then keep running this team like a minor league hockey franchise, drawing people to his man mall in the process. Congrats, you're the problem not the answer. The fact that you're questioning the one fan who has given more of his time, effort, energy, and money into supporting this team shows just how clueless you are.
It doesn't sound like caring to me. It sounds like self-absorbed navel gazing. But hey, that's me and round and round it goes. If anyone else wants to tell me how much I suck or for me to tell them how much they suck, dm me and i'll be happy to do so.
Doesn't seem like there is room for anything positive with the older group. Fighting a losing battle on here. I tend to agree that the attitude of like 95% of fans on here is counter productive. All it does is bum everyone out, which of course just sucks even more when you add that to the recent form of the team. Take it to twitter... Big Soccer is a waste of time inless you are trolling Mexicans on WR
Plenty of room on here for positive. But since the end of MLS Cup 07 what has been positive for this organization? Here is a list of negatives drafting piss poor signings have been a disaster play on the field has gone to crap stadium experience sucks trades have been horrible been hearing about a SSS for years and nothing they blew the Champions league sent out a reserve squad in 08 Semi's on the open cup lost ralston,twellman, parkhurst, larentowicz and dorman with out fully replacing them. Attendance per game has dropped by about 4,000 or so.
It's because big soccer in general attracts more of the analytical fan and less of the koolaid drinker. It's not right to be critical of someone pointing out they enjoyed the boxing match with their kid but 95% of the posters here are fed up and want something better from this organization. A post game boxing match just seems like yet another gimmicky one off tactical marketing event that isn't really of any value to this club besides offering fans a novel opportunity to watch boxing at Gillette. It's short term awareness but probably not growing the brand to long term fans. It's hard to think everything's all peachy when the revs have been mired in mediocrity for 4 years now. This season started better and people were positive about some of the changes (well I was at least) but here it is mid August and it's the same old revs. We want things to change for the better, so let's not attack each other and try to have a better understanding that everyone supports this club in their own way.
No, I'm going to do this publicly because you came out against Monty publicly and, despite being the worst kind of Toffee bastard, they're playing ManUre today so he gets a pass. There are two main reasons people like you suck. The first, and I can't stress this enough, is that you're arguing the tone of the argument, instead of the substance. I'm going to presume, based on your comments, that you came here with an opinion opposed to those expressed by Monty and KO. That's cool, that's good, actually. Disagreement is good, because that's why we discuss things. I want someone to disagree with me, I want to challenge their assumptions, I want them to challenge mine. Because when I attempt to back up my assumptions with actual facts, I will either strengthen my argument or realize I was wrong, I will grow as a person. You, on the other hand, are saying "The way you're saying what you're saying is wrong". It's not an attempt to refute, or construct an argument against; hell, it's not even saying "I think your arguments are wrong". It's you saying that the tone is wrong. That's so drastically unrelated to the actual substance of the argument that you might as well be talking about how tasty bananas are, because each of them let's me understand your opinion on the Revs just as much (specifically, not at all). I want you to not suck. I want you to share your ideas, your opinions. I want you to engage us in a discussion and work towards finding which side of the coin holds real truth. But, unfortunately, you've decided to suck instead. The second reason that people like you suck is because, well, you're wrong and you're being snooty about it. Monty is right, Kraft Out is right. This team is absolute shit, and it's been that way for years. Any reasonable measure of either A. How much KSG cares about this brand (through payroll, development of an SSS, aggressive trades or transfers, marketing) or B. How good the actual product is (Xs and Os, goals scored, goals allowed, points) clearly demonstrate that this team has gone no where, quite a while ago, and is trying it's best to stay right where it is. And because you've resorted to a Tonal Argument as opposed to bring up any countering evidence (or really, even saying that you think they're wrong), I'm left to just believe that no such counter-argument exists. Because you've chosen to suck, you've proven that you're wrong. As I await your response I will remain, Achowat
HELL YEAH I'M RIGHT! but thankfully the Revs won't be here anymore, so I won't have to be scolded by these jackoffs for calling out Kraft and this pathetic franchise for the joke that it is, was and will always be.
The tone is the thing. The level of discourse is the thing. "You People", Monty included, seem to revel int he negativity and it makes me not want to support the team or be part of your supporters group. Just as a point of reference this isn't the first time I've made this argument. This was back in 2009. https://www.bigsoccer.com/community/...gland-revolution.1227467/page-2#post-19391854
The tone is the thing. The level of discourse is the thing. "You People", Monty included, seem to revel int he negativity and it makes me not want to support the team or be part of your supporters group. Just as a point of reference this isn't the first time I've made this argument. This was back in 2009. https://www.bigsoccer.com/community/...gland-revolution.1227467/page-2#post-19391854
You were wrong then, and you're wrong now. Are you upset about the negativity, or that they seem to enjoy it? Because the latter appears to be not an issue you can really content with someone on ("You're having fun wrong"). And the former is all that's left of this team. If you want to discuss tone, be my guest. But over here, where everyone else is, we're discussing ideas. Because that's more, y'know, Not-Incredibly-Petty
I absolutely despise the negativity. There's been so little positive to take the past few years though, which completely bothers me. It seems like very little changes with this team, so the negativity grows. We were horrendous last year, and our record shows we're not all that much better this year. The team continues to spend little money, the team has 5 open roster spots. These are facts.
It's not only ok, it's noble. "Supporting" a team means doing everything you can do to make it succeed. It's a larger commitment than just being a "fan". And glossing over the problems and pretending their not real only leads to complacency and, in turn, hurts the team. Recognizing real issues is part of being a Supporter