Why? I already know the answer. Than the question: are they totally crazy ignorants? Free your mind mates. Probably you all were born something like 20 years ago (then in the 90s) and none of you have ever experienced on his skin the reasons cuz now stupid koreans hate a country that western people don't even recognize from yours. Well useless sentences. Never mind. Now I really hope it will pass a long time before the next Japan Vs Korea (or Korea vs Japan if you are korean and pretend Korea written first than Japan so you can sleep tonight) match.
Basse, it's one thing to say how things are for you. It's something different to criticize others for not being like you. It is yet again something different (and somewhat weird) to criticize others and their relation to a NT that is regarded as a rival in the country you are not a national of.
I would agree if the entire idea of a national team even represented what people believed it did. For me its nothing more than a glorified club team. Its nothing new. Even from the beginning national teams never really represented the countries that they were supposed to. For example Puskas played for both Spain and Hungary. FIFA has relaxed the rules so much that you can play for any team as long a you stay a get citizenship. So I say, if the rules for who can and cannot play for a team are so lenient then the rules for who can and cannot support a national team are also.
I think it's up to the person who they support. I would like to think any foreign fan would be welcomed to do so anyways.
This been on my mind for a while. Sekizuka seems to have plan A , but no effective back-up plan, B or C. of course he's have a B-version of Plan A, but still the same game plan. so when Japan is down and things aren't working out, he just aint doing the things that can change the flow of game in our favor. in this match, Japan dominated possession and passing game, but struggled with clear-cut chances, players aren't playing aggressively. Korea scored. his first move should be to bring in Usami who's we all know been hungry all tournament because Sekizuka won't use him enough. instead he brings him in late in the game.
Better than nothing. I think is not in this NT (and senior too) spirit to play aggressively if I understood what u meant, in other words like Korea did. The top of aggressiveness of Japan in this OG was the run and push like hell that Nagai did against Spain, nothing more. And, frankly, if play aggressively means use brutal tackle, violent attitude and so on, better for the sake of fair play to not play this way at all. About Usami, you are right, but probably cuz of his inconsistency Sekizuka didn't trust in him. It's a pity, at the end he was not the "secret weapon" that we all believed he would be.
Still, some regrets about Mexico match.. it could have been us. At least with a silver around our necks. I think it could take some time for methabolize this. At least, i'll take some time..
No, it cannot be done anymore. Once you played in an official match with an NT, you cannot change anymore. This has been done on purpose by the FIFA because some players have abused the system in the past (going from NT to NT).
That's not my point. My point is that players who have no prior connections to a country can play for that country if they take up citizenship. FIFA has made it so easy to play for any team that the whole concept of a "national" team no longer exists.
Well it's not like you can go buy citizenship in a candy store. But I do get your point. You're talking about melting pots and various ethnicities playing for different NT's. Again there you need to make the difference between peoples gaining citizenship just to play for an NT (politic and money) and the real residents who were born and raised in the land. I am totally against naturalizing a player just to play for the NT, I believe it's totally outrageous. If he was born or gained citizenship fairly like any other resident, he deserves to play for his country without a doubt (whatever his skin color or origins are). This practice is getting popular (like Poland or Qatar) but shouldn't be encouraged. A country should be represented by it's peoples, otherwise it has no more meaning. Those guys (the one that are given citizenship with the help of the FA) don't give a shit about the country they're going to play for, they just want to play for an NT and play in major tournaments (WC, etc..). I do believe (and hope so) that you wouldn't feel good either, if the JNT was filled with guys like that. It would totally ruin it's image and spirit, and wouldn't feel the same.
For me the qualifications that I would have to be eligible for the NT would be: 1. You have to be born in the country. 2. You have to have lived in the country for a specific amount of time up until a certain age. It would definitely have to be more than 50% of a person's life before they turned 18, but I'm really unsure what a good number would be. Again, I'm really unsure whether it should be both of these requirement or one or the other. edit: It's an extremely complicated issue and I do not think that there is a proper way of determining nationality without one group getting shafted in the end.
But still, those peoples would be considered true Japanese/Korean citizens in my opinion. So I can't quite make the connection with "anyone can support the team".
Yea, but those aren't the qualifications are they? I follow the standards set by FIFA and if they say that almost anyone can play for any team they want then I assume from that reasoning that anyone can support any national team they want. I cannot force my standards upon others so I follow those set by FIFA regardless of whether I agree with them or not.
Well like I said earlier, basically I'm not arguing about anyone supporting any NT, but rather pointing it as their own nation/country. Surely it's nice having foreigners supporting your NT, nothing wrong with it. But I do believe that many Japanese or Koreans would agree with my point to a certain extend. I think everything has been said in this debate, and it's time to move forward. Mexico beating Brazil in the finals should comfort you guys, you didn't loose cheaply. This Mexican team is something.
Mexico beats Brazil 2-1 I for one did not see that happening, but its kinda nice to know that the team that beat Japan won it all. We gave Mexico a good match, and if luck was on our side who knows, maybe Japan would have been playing Brazil for Gold. The strange thing about Mexico is that without Dos Santos they were more dangerous than with him. Still disappointed Japan lost to Korea, but its just U-23 and were brought a true U-23 team. They played there hearts out and had a chance to win every match they played. It makes it an even harder thing to accept that maybe Japan outplayed all their opponents and still lost, but it gives them fuel to become better and the players that played in the tournament have gained loads of experience that is invaluable.
This is an interesting view on "Korean style" of football. To me, playing dirty means diving, spitting on your opponent's face, or kicking/punching behind the refs. Playing rough is not dirty. We did play rough in the first 30 minutes of the game but that happens all the time in many leagues in the world. Otsu's charge against our GK was dirty and sneaky. Playing direct and all out is not.. Well.. perhaps something's lost in translation..
I try to explain. I didn't say that that is the "korean style", simply that is the korean style when they face Japan. And for "playing dirty" I mean "play with violent actions uncaring to injury the opponent". Spitting in the face and kicking/punching is simply uncivil and criminal and not a playing style or now even in a slums brawl there are athletes who are playing. I hope not.
Understood. But again, we did play rough and physical(and Japan also did play rough in the later part of the game) but it happens everywhere. Honda and old Nakata Hidetoshi do and did play physical football. I really do think if Japan fielded over-aged players it would've won the gold. I hope these young Japanese players got a good experience out of this game-how to play physical and how to be tough.