Veepstakes 2012

Discussion in 'Elections' started by schrutebuck, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. NMMatt

    NMMatt Member+

    Apr 5, 2006
    He'll pick Portman and it won't matter at all in Ohio.
     
  2. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

    Aug 14, 2000
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  3. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Some people say it'll be Ann Romney.
     
  4. Smurfquake

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    Aug 8, 2000
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    Well, the 12th amendment to the Constitution that says that the President and Vice-President can't be from the same state, but the Romneys can work around that -- when Mitt was running for governor of Massachusetts, the law there was that he had to be a Mass. resident for seven years, but he had just spent three years in Utah working on the Olympics, so he claimed that the house in Utah was in Ann's name. So she can be from Utah, while he is from Mass, and they won't violate the 12th amendment.
     
  5. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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    If Ann can own a horse that's not Mitt's, they are not married like I am married.
     
  6. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    Same here. For one thing, in my house it's the wife who wears the "magic underwear."
     
  7. Dr. Wankler

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  8. NMMatt

    NMMatt Member+

    Apr 5, 2006
    Has Matt Drudge scooped anything since Monica Lewinsky? I'm not sure why he still gets credibility all these years later.
     
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  9. The Gribbler

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    Jul 14, 1999
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    I'd put my money on Portman at this point, although I think Ryan and Pawlenty are still possible.
     
  10. Mattbro

    Mattbro Member+

    Sep 21, 2001
    I can't think of a duller ticket than Romney/Portman, 'cept maybe Romney/Pawlenty. Romney/Ryan would be interesting... I would think that would fire everyone up a bit.
     
  11. phats_away

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    Jul 28, 2001
    Atlanta, Ga
    Would Ryan swing independents?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/u...aul-ryan-to-be-mitt-romneys-running-mate.html

    In rallying around Mr. Ryan, a champion of cutting government spending and reining in the costs of programs like Medicare and Medicaid, conservatives are calling for Mr. Romney to select someone who can push their fiscal agenda, but they also are setting the stage for a possible letdown on the right if Mr. Romney chooses someone else in his race against President Obama. A strongly worded Wall Street Journal editorial on Thursday urged Mr. Romney to pick Mr. Ryan, saying he “best exemplifies the nature and stakes of this election.”

    The editorial follows a fresh wave of public pressure from other conservative outlets for Mr. Romney to erase doubts about his commitment to conservative causes — an issue that has dogged Mr. Romney since his days campaigning as a liberal Republican for the Senate in Massachusetts.
     
  12. Minnman

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    Feb 11, 2000
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    I suppose it's always been this way, but it's odd (to me) when running mates are brought in to somehow shore up a glaring weakness in the presidential candidate. I understand a balanced ticket, get how a VP might (or might not) affect the vote in an important swing state. But, of course, the VP has no real authority in the executive branch, and I think most voters get that. Mitt has trouble connecting with... well, a lot of people: he's not enough of a social conservative (so he could pick a running mate who is); his fiscal background isn't small government enough (so he could pick a running mate who has that trait). And so on. I just don't get it. Mitt is the guy who emerged on top in the R primaries. He's obviously a very flawed candidate. I see how a VP choice might be pawned off as somehow spackling over a gap or two in his political CV. But, in the end, he's the one person running for presidency for the R party. He can't just delegate away fiscal decisions or his administration's positions on social issues. It's the antithesis of the "buck stops here."
     
  13. NMMatt

    NMMatt Member+

    Apr 5, 2006
    The VP pick is the most overrated thing in politics.
     
  14. Matrim55

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    Except that Ryan would scare the bejesus out of all the silverhairs down in Florida, so it could have an huge impact in that regard. In terms of pure horse race politics, it makes zero sense.
     
  15. Dr. Wankler

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    May 2, 2001
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    It's up there, but I think photo ops with local food favorites top the list.

    For instance, McCain's selection of Sarah Palin probably proved more damaging than Bachmann's sausage fellating picture.
     
  16. Matrim55

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  17. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    A successful Romney/Ryan ticket sees Romney assassinated by a TP hitman within 12 months
     
  18. That Phat Hat

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  19. atomicbloke

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    Fox News and Huffington Post say its Ryan.
     
  20. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
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    Well I waited 90 minutes into the NBC Olympic coverage to see something I was interested in, only to have the special report on Ryan being the pick.
     
  21. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    I didn't expect Ryan although I listed him in the top 5 in my first post, as he's the riskiest choice.

    But the perception of a floundering campaign from Romney over the last month has altered the conventional wisdom. More importantly, his failure to make any consistent gains in the polls under the highly favorable circumstances over the last couple months caused him to re-evaluate IMO. Pawlenty and Portman are more status quo, and I think Romney needed a "Game Changer" so he took a chance on Ryan. A BIG chance.
     
  22. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Paul Ryan is a great pick for the base of the GOP. Not so much for winning the election. Romney is apparently choosing a Veep to shore up his base. That pretty much tells you where his campaign stands.
     
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  23. NMMatt

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    Apr 5, 2006
    I think Palin's effect in 2008 is overstated by most, and she probably had more negative effect as a VP candidate as anyone since I've been paying attention. McCain got a convention bounce, in part due to conservative excitement about Palin, but conventions often give noticeable and brief bounces so that's not all that unusual. The reason that Obama won by 7 rather than the 2 to 3 points he was leading all summer until the conventions had a lot more to do with the economic meltdown than Palin's performance down the home stretch. The economy was in free fall the month before the election and Obama just kept saying McCain = Bush. Palin was a sideshow for political reporters and us junkies and maybe fired up some right wingers who were probably going to vote for McCain anyway.

    Why I think the VP pick is overrated is because it is an interesting event to political reporters and junkies so they talk about it as if it has a meaningful effect every time. In the end though, there is very little evidence that it actually matters - certainly not nearly as much as the pundits tell us during the summer leading up to the pick and after it as well.
     
  24. NMMatt

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    Apr 5, 2006
    The media's blown it before, but if it is really Ryan, it will make a bit of a splash with the pundits and conservative political junkies. What you should ask yourself is who exactly is going to vote for Romney, who wouldn't have otherwise, because of Ryan on the ticket and vice versa. I suspect that those two groups are rather small and I don't see why one would be significantly larger than the other.
     
  25. lurking

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    Feb 9, 2002
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    If he really is selecting Ryan, Romney is giving the Ryan budget a big ole hug. Im not sure you want to do that when your behind in the race. Portman or Macdougal could have had some effect on the outcome if Romney manages to tighten the race up again, but Ryan just means the Obama campaign gets to directly link the Romney/Ryan campaign to ending medicare, which is about as wise as covering yourself in gasoline soaked rags and taking up smoking.
     
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