Soler in Europe looking for a winger

Discussion in 'New York Red Bulls' started by kokoplus10, Jul 31, 2012.

  1. RedBullFootball

    Apr 7, 2008
    What matches did he seem weak in? I will hit the highlights and review
     
  2. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    That line up never will work, for starters you are living the wings empties and that will let the other attackers to unload all they force against the defenders directly and with out warning and we are very weak in that department.... In other words, we don't have the players for that formation, Tainio and McCarty are to slow to help our defense and everything will collapse, loosing game after game.... The best will be play McCarty or Tainio as a reverse Sweeper a little ahead off and as a CM too....

    A 3-5-3 is more probable, because we can play a:
    Meara
    Barka....Conde....Pearce
    McCarty/Tainio
    Lade....Cahill....Lindpere
    Le Toux....Cooper....Henry
     
  3. theENFORCER

    theENFORCER Member

    Apr 10, 2010
    NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I envision Henry dropping back into the midfield like he does often currently, so he'll atleast clog up some lanes in the midfield and we'll allow Tainio/Dax to do the dirty work.

    I think having Dax and Tainio in the formation makes it pretty much a defensive formation as both are and will probably play as defensive midfielders, not to mention Cahill is a player that will mark players as well.

    I think further on in the games we can switch the formation a bit and switch to a 4-4-2 and get Lade/Lindpere in the action. Lade will replace one of the forwards(probably Le Toux) and play on the left side, Lindpere subs in for Tainio and moves up a bit giving Dax the pure destroyer role.
    Something like this:
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    Although subbing Solli instead of Lade would probably be ideal as Solli would play as a right midfielder, Lindpere as a left midfielder and Cahill in the center but Lade's energy and hustle is a game changer as a sub
     
  4. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not going to waste my time going back and watching each individual game. Look at game in which we gave up goals and watch the highlights if you want. I bet good money he gets undone in those games.

    Heck he was undone last night by that feint. I know it's Spurs and all, but he literally jumped out of his boots on that one.
     
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  5. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Why in hell will you play players out side they position for, Lindpere has been doing acceptable job most however lately he has been erratic and I will not play Lindpere as a CAM instead of Cahill, is a dilemma so, what to do with Lade and he is a right foot shooter so, I will play him RW.... So my Line Up will be:

    Meara
    Barka....Conde....Pearce
    McCarty
    Lade.....Cahill....Lindpere
    Le Toux....Cooper....Henry
     
  6. metroflip73

    metroflip73 Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    3-4-3?

    We'd be run over. Constantly.
     
  7. GMangs

    GMangs Red Card

    Apr 21, 2012
    NJ
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Some things I'd like to see.

    ------------Meara------------
    ---Barklage-Conde-Pearce--
    ----------Dax---Tainio--------
    -Lade/Solli-Cahill-Lindpere/Lade-
    -------Le Toux--Henry-------


    -------------------Meara----------------
    --Barklage--Conde--Ruthven--Pearce--
    --------------Dax------Tainio------------
    ------Le Toux----Cahill---Lindpere/Lade
    ---------------------Henry----------------
     
  8. FDNY Fitzy

    FDNY Fitzy Member

    Jun 11, 2011
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Any 3 man backline we might possibly run while would be Pearce-Conde-Holgersson. Barklage is not a 3 man defender. 3 man backlines are usually all center backs, or at least players with CB experience.

    And its a bad idea for us, because our offense is dependent on wingbacks. When we rotate a side forward it offers the same attacking numbers but with better elasticity. Dunno how many 3 mn back lines have worked anywhere, let alone MLS
     
  9. GMangs

    GMangs Red Card

    Apr 21, 2012
    NJ
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Napoli...
     
  10. GMangs

    GMangs Red Card

    Apr 21, 2012
    NJ
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Holgersson wouldn't be able to play in it, guy can't move. Solves one problem.
     
  11. RedBullFootball

    Apr 7, 2008
    He looked like a horror show on that play yeah.

    But your first comment kinda shows what I am trying to say. Off the top of your head you can't name a match where he struggled. If he was THAT TERRIBLE, then you'd like be able to point to a couple instances of it.

    Might be time to reevaluate
     
  12. iced1776

    iced1776 Member+

    Dec 4, 2009
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Kinda wish people would stop saying that Holgersson got feinted on that play, its not what happened. Just like against Montreal, he though that the right fullback (in this case Lade) was going to push out wide as Sigurdsson dribbled towards the side of the box, but Lade continued to mark the space behind Holgersson. You can even see the replay where Holgersson turns and realizes that Lade has not pushed out like he was supposed to and scrambles to recover, making him look like the ass.

    The last time I can truly say a goal was 100% on Holgersson was against Philly where he botched a clearance (not the first time he's done that) and Philly countered to score. He and Conde both got run over by Oduro at Chicago but that was more a total team breakdown than any individual mistakes from him.
     
  13. iced1776

    iced1776 Member+

    Dec 4, 2009
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Napoli is a much higher quality side than we are, they are capable to playing more complex formations that require a higher level of discpline and higher soccer IQ. Not to put our guys down, but I'm not sure if they're up to the level where we could pull that off, we can barely get ourselves organized in a standard 4-4-2 at times.
     
  14. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Yeah, my intenton was:


    Meara
    Barka....Conde....Pearce
    McCarty
    Lade.....Tainio....Lindpere

    Cahill
    Le Toux....Cooper....Henry
     
  15. GMangs

    GMangs Red Card

    Apr 21, 2012
    NJ
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    If we had an actual coach maybe we could. Don't think it is our guys fault. Don't see much of a reason we couldn't play this way.
     
  16. GMangs

    GMangs Red Card

    Apr 21, 2012
    NJ
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Metz, thats 12 people.
     
  17. idriveavw

    idriveavw BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 15, 2008
    NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    you're right. we could definitely win most games if we had an extra player on the field.
    :confused:
     
  18. iced1776

    iced1776 Member+

    Dec 4, 2009
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Let's not pretend like the only difference in quality between us and Napoli is the coaching. I think the fact that our guys often lose their shape in a 4-4-2 is plenty reason enough why we shouldn't try to play a more complicated formula, and that's not 100% on Backe.

    Also that's like the 5th time this week metz has posted a lineup with the wrong number of players
     
  19. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    It is important to keep in mind, and I know this because I've read his quotes, that Holgersson likes a team defending scheme, more zonal than man-marking. That's why he's a lousy partner for Conde, who is a polar opposite. Conde is very talented, and on his game one of the very best in the league, but he is not particularly disciplined and very free-wheeling. Ironically, I think Pearce is a better partner for both, being a better man-marker than Holgersson and less free-wheeling than Conde.

    Holgersson sometimes gets beaten simply because he's the only one left at home when his other defenders abandon him. Just being closest to the ball doesn't make him responsible for everything that happens. What Holgersson lacks physically is quickness, not speed, over longer sprints he's able to cover ground, much like Ream, but he gets hurt on bang-bang plays that have him (slowly) trying to move his feet. It is something to keep in mind when deciding who starts against which team. The one's with quick interior passing games (Salt Lake) or who like beating the trap (Montreal) are the one's likely to have an edge. Against teams with a more deliberate build-up, he does just fine. FWIW, Conde most often gets beat because he's out of position. He's willing to make the risky tackle to salvage the situation, but even that has a limit.
     
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  20. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree to disagree. I've watched him in many games this season where he was undone in a 1 v 1 situation. Typically happens when a guy is running full speed straight at him or when he's pulled wide because Barklage or whoever is caught up the pitch on a counter.

    Because of the way our attack is built he and Conde need to be able stop those counters because they are essentially the main way teams can score against us. IMO Conde holds his own. Hulk does not.

    This sums up my observations of him nicely:

     
  21. RedBullFootball

    Apr 7, 2008
    Let's watch the match tommorow night and break down his perfomance.
     
  22. GMangs

    GMangs Red Card

    Apr 21, 2012
    NJ
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    lol. I still think Backe is to blame for most of it. I don't really think that formation is that complicated.
     
  23. metroflip73

    metroflip73 Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  24. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Surely you're not suggesting that breaking down ONE game will be final evidence of a player one way or the other...:confused:
     
  25. Backe to the top

    Mar 8, 2010
    Nottingham
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Lloyd Sam currently on trial. A very useful right winger. Did very well whilst on loan at Notts County at the end of last season and has played at the top level. I think he will be added in place of Dane within a week or so.
     

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