I saw something on Twitter about profanity complaints in The River End. I'm pretty sure PPL personnel also made a visit to 120 Wednesday for the language coming out of my section (I was a participant...oops). Sounds like a trend... Free Teddy?
seemed to be more security at ground level in front of TRE last night. maybe just my imagination but i know I wasnt the only one to notice
YSA comes and goes...there is a small group of folks in 136/135 that will do it all the time...it seems to pick up more steam and people chime in the more the game is not going our way/the more the refs suck/we are losing...and so on. It seems the only way "we" behave is if we are winning, the refs are doing a great job, and the weather is a nice breezy 75 degrees with scattered puffy clouds. As for the profanity, we were made aware last night that we should keep it down if we are swearing cause we could get the boot...not sure if anyone got taken away. Nobody in my vicinity got a warning or taken away that I saw. The vulgarity does get carried away at points...I think during the USOC on wednesday night, at one point a lot of people were just chanting ********You. I understand the swearing to a point to vent frustration or whatever...but when it is chanted, clearly audible through the rest of ppl or that is another thing. I would be more concerned about the sexist chants and homophobic slurs being thrown about. It is a shame there are so many SOBs that are young adults with the brain of a 12 year old...total idiots. Id be more than happy to see someone get walked out for yelling ************. No need for it at all.
Over by us in 140 , the blue shirts(that stand below the river end)were telling the red shirt employees to warn people that they will be kicked out for their language.
There was an e-mail the other day from the SoB about homophobic sh!t being yelled/chanted, but it seemed that at the tailgate and before the match all I heard was people mocking the email. Disgraceful. I'm about to start really getting in peoples' faces about this.
I also though the nationalist jingoism was way out of hand for the TFC & Montreal matches. There are plenty of people in TRE, and some may hold dual citizenship, if not outright Canadians. It got really disgusting last night.
I agree. I had to yell at people the shut the fck up during the anthems, and knew right away it was going to be an annoying night in the River End
At the USOC game I was sitting at the front of 136 and noticed the guys on the ground were warning people about thier language. I didn't see anything come from it. The F bomb was the one they didn't like. It wasn't until till the cup full of liquid was thrown did I see security come running. For those who know I avoid such interactions like umm...fire. It's bad o.o
Nationalist jingoism? Overstating the matter much? A pretty clear distinction can be drawn between nationalist jingoism and drunk, disorganized patriotic banter. I assume most of what you heard last night would probably fall under the latter category (stupid, yes, but truly hateful and hurtful? I doubt it), but maybe I'm wrong. What exactly were you hearing that was so disgusting? I didn't hear much of anything around my seat.
I was wondering why a security guard, looking like he was on a mission, walked up to the top between the Creeps and 135 and just stood there. Language police. I personally have stopped YSA and just try to make the most annoying sound in the world (see Dumb and Dumber), but it does still happen quite loudly at times. We can be more clever than that. Once something new were to catch on, maybe it would go away. But what?
Might have been the same idiots in 138 yelling at Espinoza to go back across the border. I guess they thought it was OK since we don't have any Central/South America players on the roster. According to Wikipedia, Espinoza became a US citizen in March 2008.
Actually I'm not overstating anything. Chanting USA is fine, but there was a lot of over the top crap that was said. The type of stuff that if a Canadian had said it about the USA there would have been a brawl. If it's going to upset someone if it's directed at them, then they shouldn't direct the same at anyone else. Drunk is not an excuse, either. I was glad to see people around me seemed equally uncomfortable by some of the stuff being said. I also don't think any sort of line should be drawn. We clearly define that racist/xenophobic epithets should not be thrown at players. The same should be extended to opposing fans, as well.
The line isn't between what's excusable and what's inexcusable. I'm just sayin you should be a bit more precise with your description. Granted the things that you heard were over the top, that doesn't mean they were jingoistic or even nationalistic. Sounds like an exaggeration when you use those terms given the context. Once again, I don't think any of that BS can be justified, and I hope I'm right when I assume that the people participating in it were in the minority. If it becomes more widespread, then we may have legitimate cause for concern. But you still haven't answered my question. What was said that was so disgusting?
Let's just say that most of the worst stuff is not BS.com friendly. Seeing I'm a mod, I would be remiss to repeat them. Especially since I found them distasteful in the public setting of PPL, why would I repeat them here? As I said, though, it doesn't even have to be the extreme cases. I heard on a number of occasions various versions of, "F* them, they're Canadian." Seriously, what does that even mean? One of my favorites of the night had to be, "I guess those fans don't realize they're always a second away from being part of the USA." Classic jingoism if you ask me. Oh, and I could have been a millionaire if I had taken $1 for every reference made about the France-Canada connection. Usually this was connected to the very homophobic epithets that Smash was speaking of. As I said, why does it even matter how "severe" it was. Even simple potshots are uncalled for. Soccer is "the world game" there's a good chance that the people sitting right next you may be Canadian, Colombian, Dominican, French, or anything else, because the sport garners fans of every nation. Supposedly, though, those Canadians, even though they are Union fans like everyone else in TRE, should sit there and listen to people claiming, in a very profane way, that they're French, and gay.
Or the Chants of we don't understand you to the Montreal Fans. Would we say that to Chivas or Hispanic Players?
Probably would. It's funny that we would so outwardly flaunt our ignorance, as all the Montreal fans speak French AND English, and and hispanic fans probably speak english at least as well as some in TRE...typical USA arrogance...
First, you'd be repeating them for the sake of discussion, not out of hate or ignorance, but you're a mod and you're gonna do what mods do. Second, this prudish cosmpolitanism is really cute and all, but I don't know why you guys are coming on here and complaining about a few bad apples. Does this really make you feel like you're one of the Good guys? Were you really "disgusted" by those few drunk, small-minded middle class 'Mericans taking witless jabs from afar at a few dozen Quebecois? You're right, F*** them they're Canadian doesn't mean anything, so you have very little reason to condemn it in such strong terms. For every 10 people pulling that kind of ish, 1 or maybe 2 at most would have the balls to say it face-to-face. F*** the homophobic stuff though, I agree that's gotta stop. I'm sure you know what real hate looks and sounds like, so it goes without saying that the previous description doesn't in fact look or sound like it. When we start making monkey noises at black players or throwing green cards at Mexicans, then we can indulge in some good ol' righteous indignation. But I don't think anyone's even capable of genuinely hating a Canadian. Just to be clear, I don't condone any of the behavior you're criticizing, just your and others' reaction to it, which to me sounds overblown. Do you think TRE will ever be filled with passionate, well-mannered scholars and sages? You can't expect decency from every single person who's drunk and in a crowd, so we'd be better off focusing on the "severe" cases. IMO we should be as equally hard on those A-hole SoBs who still think it's a good idea to make someone who's obviously not familiar with supporter culture feel completely uncomfortable for not singing or standing in TRE. Or do you feel that that's ok?
I could make the case that the individuals spouting homophobic vitriol are unlikely to repeat their chants/shouts in the face of a homosexual fan. A person's actions should not be justified just because they only have courage in a group. You can't outlaw intent, you can only outlaw the actions. "Fake hatred" is just as offensive as "real hatred." More importantly, where do you draw the line about what offensive actions are permitted? Personally, I find it offensive that some fans use chants/shouts that are based on extreme nationalism. There are plenty of international fans and players supporting the Union. Would you be okay if folks in TRE started a chant about an opposing fan in a wheelchair? Is that okay or is that not real enough? How offensive does a chant need to be for it to be outlawed? Completely agree. Ridiculing our own is counterproductive. Sitting in the supporters section should be a fun experience. It's different than a typical seat at any sporting event and there should be a level of understanding that not everyone is familiar with this culture. Kind of like how we should be cognizant of other cultures outside the US and not use these culture differences as a method of mocking, particularly when it affects players and fans of the Union.
Digression: You know there is a difference between a person who is not familiar with the supporters culture and somebody who is familiar but just stands there for the cheap tickets and does not sing.
Well that sounds like a bunch of ********ing bullshit. If its homophobic, sexist, or racist, then it seems understandable for security to kick people out. & instead of chanting 'You Suck Asshole', do a different disease every match. So 'You Suck Cancer', 'You Suck Aids', 'You Suck Diabetes', 'You Suck Erectile Dysfunction', etc.
Why are we even having this discussion again? It's simple: if someone near you is shouting inappropriate things, you tell them to shut the F up. If they get hostile or don't stop, you call security. Whining about it on the forum accomplishes nothing. If we don't police our own, you can be damn sure the FO will do it for us.