The Official Robin van Persie Thread

Exactly

 

A little weird. They don't normally pull stories that are only speculation anyway. Almost as though they got a word from somewhere

 

He got one ugly house

 

At this point I look at any news of him "signing a new deal with Arsenal" as another way to try and rush/panic other clubs to buy him.

 

Look at the posts, that's the main argument.

Eff-0ff, mate.

Maybe I missed something, but is this the statement that we are on about?

What is so fcuking bad about it? He basically just said "I talked to club and they aren't going to do what I think they should so I'm not going to renew my contract because I don't want to work for an organization who has a different view for the future than me. I wanted the fans to hear my reasons for not renewing my contract directly from me, first." How does that damage the club? He hasn't threatened to not play or in any way not honor his contract. Besides, in the last 2 years he has hinted at his disappointment with the talent drain at the club and that he would not renew if the club didn't change directions, so it shouldn't even be a major shock to any one--especially management.

This is his job. If your contract was about to be up, and you didn't like the direction your company was heading you might not have not acted any differently. You might also explain to your customers, colleagues your reasoning. At that point it's up to your boss to decide if they should keep you or make some arrangement to end your contract.

I suppose, he could have just kept his mouth shut but does that really help us? The possibility that he would renew his contract does not add any extra value onto his current contract. Our position and options remain the same.

 

Or, like a lot of retired pro athletes he'll invest in a dozen Tastee-Freez franchises and his buddy's video game company and die broke.

 

What kind of returns are your investments pulling in lately?

 

I wrote a massive rant about how stupid it is that footballers get paid so much money. But it was too long and a bit of a bore so I hit the delete button.

The things I wanted to stress though: people who say more money is always better are wrong. Money is not a cure-all for problems. In fact, most of the times, all it does is paper over the cracks. The fact is that with the right financial advice, RVP will live more than a comfortable life for the rest of his days, no matter what his next club will be.

The other thing I wanted to say: people start playing football because they love football, not because they love money. It seems to me that when you put money first over football, your career, and the money you make, suffer. Robin would do well to remember that.

If it's true that he's having a change of heart, I won't hold it against him. Like I said before, I'm sure he's had terrible advice. But if he's going, he's going, good riddance to the douche

 

Doesn't matter that Arsenal's vision hasn't changed. Operating on this current vision probably has a ceiling due to these outside pressures. Either we change or continue. The money might not be there to change and that's fine--I can live with that. RVP can't, and he's basically been saying that for 2 years. He can't afford to wait another 5 years like the fans can.

The fallout from his statement is merely a creation of the fans and media. Go back and look at this very thread over the last year or so...everytime he stalled on talking about his contract more and more people realized he was not going to re-sign. His statement is just the verification of what many of us already predicted.

What exactly has he accused Arsenal of? He's basically just said he doesn't have confidence that the club can win anything in the next couple of years. Who here can put forth a good counter-argument to that? Hell, while we as fans are always hopeful and optimistic, many here have been saying the same thing for years.

Honestly, I'm fine with him leaving if we get a good offer. If not, let him play out his contract and if we are in the title race and maybe make a move or two in Jan he may sign a new contract. If not, he walks off in the summer--or limps off more likely.

 

TA DAA!!!!

I suggest you try reading through some of my previous posts, you might work it out.

Oh, and I suspect if you openly criticised your employers publically like that then they might not be your employers for much longer at all. Which incidentally is what RvP is attempting to push through for himself. The difference between your employment and that of RvP is that if his employers sell him without him putting through a transfer request, he can claim a loyalty bonus. If he puts in a transfer request he can't. In your case, you'd just be fined, or possibly sacked and your silly arse kicked out the back door.

 

Not too badly--10-15% in the year or so. Money can be made in a down market too you know, but even the DJIA is up 3-4% this year. Most recently some put options on RIMM made me a ton. Not claiming to be an expert or anything and doubt I could do quite as good if my livelihood depended on it, but 3% is barely keeping up with inflation and if that's all your getting over a 10 year period you should really rethink your strategy.

 

Dude, you should try to become RVP financial advisor! He would do well with you.

 

Wow, you should be managing a mutual fund, you're outperforming the professionals wildly.

http://online.barrons.com/public/page/9_0204-lipperperformanceavg-lippermfperformance.html

 

Again, you are just speculating as to his possible motivation for the statement with no basis in truth. Why can't we just take his statement on face value? Aside from being injured a lot--not his fault--he has served us well. If it wasn't for his heroic performance this season we wouldn't have CL footy or the money that comes along with that. Not to mention, as much as you say his statement has limited our ability to attract players, just imagine if we only had Europa league to offer.

And, as far as loyalty bonus is concerned, perhaps they should make that a requirement--not publicly criticizing the club seems like an obvious thing to require.

My employer can not terminate me for publicly criticizing them b/c I have a contract. They can choose not to renew my contract, but the contract outlines reasons for termination and speaking publicly is not one. That's a benefit to having a contract--you have some leverage and can speak your mind if the contract allows.

 

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The column on the left is this calendar year--all up around 6% or so. Many think a bear market is coming--big guys can't shift quickly so they will take a hit as the market shifts. Many of those funds have specific mandates, so in a bear they can't make money. But as an investor, you can shift to other investments.

I guess we are off-track here. sorry.

 

The column on the right is the average return over the last 12 months. Notice all the minus signs?

 

He isn't heroic. He plays football. For lots of money. And now he wants more.

 

I am sure most of us would love to have the contract you described above. As far as i know, having been in Corporate America for a while now, any public comments critical of one's employer or perceived as such, will get you fired. HR and Legal will get on you like a ton of bricks and they will find ample justifications for the firing in their employee's handbook.

Anyway, to get back to the topic, I guess you are late to the party. this RVP saga has been litigated ad nauseum for days on this board and the general consensus is that his actions were totally reprehensible and damaging to AFC

 

Oh, touche. misread that. Well, those guys suck then. Even the s%p500 is up 6% in the last 12 months.

 

Where has he said he wants more money? He hasn't. Sure, he may take more but he's only said he wants to win trophies.

 

I was a little late--on vacation. But to respond, for those that just have a job in corporate world your employee handbook is your contract. Me, I have an contract with my employer and as long as I produce the goods, there is nothing they can do. If you just "have a job", aside from reasons that violate federal/state laws, an employer can sack you for anything they want. The price AFC pays to having a contract that they can sell to other clubs is that RVP maintains some rights as specified in the contract. While you can dislike his actions, he's done nothing "wrong".

I dunno, I just feel that he doesn't really deserve such a strong reaction which is why i'm going on about it.

 

But we don't believe him. He makes it hard to do so when he comes out with a blatant lie in the same statement - Gazidis being on holiday.

 

Sorry to be picky here, but he said "when gazidis gets back" which could also imply that Gazidis has a vacation planned and they have talks scheduled after that. How do we know Gazza isn't on vacation? Sorry, I missed a lot.

 

so i never understood why people like people who tell them lies and feel sorry for them over a person who tells them truth and tries to help them my motto is honesty is best policy. what makes people or person wake up when they were for years filling sorry for them self. that is right little bit of honest which in return results in nice kick in the butt. that what arsenal and arsenal fans need if they want to win something for years arsenal was a little miserable boy but not because they are genuinely miserable but because they liked the feeling they loved the feeling of other people feeling sorry for them but that gets old. i mean arsenal moans about other clubs taking they players and blah blah blah arsenal fans ask your selfs why does arsene only goes to france to STEALl players from youth academies and not any where else. in france he gets away with it because nobody will bring attention to it but in rest of the world people will bring it up and then there goes that arsenal is a victim everybody else is a big bad bully for taking they players away when we did all the work to make them good