Official: [2012 Matchday 16] Union v Toronto FC - July 8, 2012 p/d/p [R]

Discussion in 'Philadelphia Union' started by Dills, Jul 5, 2012.

  1. chapka

    chapka Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Haverford, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Michael Farfan stayed sitting because he was in an offside position. By sitting, he made it clear that he wasn't involved in the play Hoppenot was developing, and made sure Hoppenot didn't look to him for an outlet. To get involved, he would have had to get up, circle around behind Hoppenot, and then make another run, by which time I'm guessing he thought the play would be finished, so by standing up he'd be doing more harm than good.
     
  2. slitz

    slitz Member+

    Feb 19, 2005
    Red City, 140
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    problem was he was in the way. laying there is was basically another defender for TFC, prohibiting hppenot from using the goalline to attack. he should have stepped off the field which would have been about 6 inches away from where he was laying
     
  3. CopaMundial

    CopaMundial Member

    Sep 11, 2006
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I get your point, but it's not like he was 15 yards ahead of the play. If he got up and took 3 steps he would have been back onside in plenty of time to give Hoppenot an outlet or draw a defender away.
    I'm not questioning the guys hustle factor. He obviously plays smart and works hard all game. And I know he had to be beat after making that run in the heat plus pissed about not getting the call. I just think that was a poor decision on his part.

    All things considered, we have nothing to complain about in this game from any of the players (well maybe Pajoy's missed header).
     
  4. billf

    billf Member+

    May 22, 2001
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great game yesterday. It wasn't perfect, but they definitely played with a lot of intensity and heart.
     
  5. CopaMundial

    CopaMundial Member

    Sep 11, 2006
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With all these free haircuts we're all going to be bald by the NY trip.
     
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  6. ScottP from DE

    Jun 22, 2012
    Dover, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A great all around team win this weekend. It's amazing how different this team is under Hackworth. Okugo is a beast at CB. Really would like to see him get a shot at LB when the Soumare era begins. Adu played really well, he actually played some defense. :) It's fun watching Jack Mac 'grow up' in front of our eyes. Hoppenot is legit. Marfan played really well- some really great passes! Brian was rock solid. Was that Ryan Johnson knee to the 'family jewels'? :eek: Nice to see Torres return to the pitch. What a fun game to watch.

    Can't wait until Wednesday night!!!!!
     
  7. Handsome Pete

    Handsome Pete Member+

    May 16, 2011
    Minneapolis
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Johnson is fun to heckle. Real fun. What a scumbag player.
     
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  8. ScottP from DE

    Jun 22, 2012
    Dover, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. DaMunk

    DaMunk Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Philadelphia/STX
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    US Virgin Islands
    The way I saw it, Hoppenot's the one who was the hindrance by trying to dribble into the goal when he had two guys to pass to at the top of the box.

    That said, he's hungry and wants to score. There's not much point in obsessing about every mistake made by a rookie playing with a ton of confidence. Hopefully next time he'll look up, see the outlets and add an assist to his tally.
     
  10. K.P.

    K.P. Member

    Mar 18, 2001
    Philly
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree.
    I disagree. Why would we move an athletic, smart player who is performing well in the center of the pitch somewhere else? I think we should leave Okugo where he is and see if the good form continues.
     
  11. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Problem lies with what to do with Soumare.
     
  12. EmeraldDawn

    EmeraldDawn Member+

    May 11, 2008
    Brick, NJ
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What im wondering is where Torres fits in. Hopefully he's not slotted in as the "fast guy off the bench when the other team's gassed"... Hoppenot has earned that spot.

    It should be noted that Antoine showed some serious class last night, signing autographs for at least a half an hour after the match.
     
  13. UnionDues

    UnionDues Member+

    Aug 16, 2011
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure I see the value in tinkering with a defense that has been giving up very few goals already.
     
  14. celt1997

    celt1997 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 31, 2006
    Philly Burbs
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Normally you wouldn't. However the weird world of Professional Sports dictates that you must play the guy you just paid big bucks for. Not that we know how much we paid for Soumare, but I'm sure he's carrying a heftier tag then Okugo.

    The last thing we need is to have expensive dead weight on the bench again...a la Gonzalez.
     
  15. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #QualityDefensiveDepthProblems
     
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  16. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    It would be a shock if a former MLS best 11 selection, and defender of the year finalist ends up being dead weight on the roster. He's only going to improve our Defense. He's huge, and athletic which should immediately help us out with set piece defending.

    It will allow Okugo to move back into midfield. I'd really like to see him start a match or two over Carroll or even Gomez (maybe rotate between the two), as his distribution is much better then Carroll's. Don't get me wrong, Brian Carroll is one of the reasons for our turn around, as he's a very under rated player, and one of the Union's most consistent players as well. I just feel in the long run Okugo offers more at that position, or at least on the wing in MF on occasion.

    At the very least the addition of Soumare will only make the team better (competition for spots, etc.). One of the main reasons cited by Frank Yallop for San Jose's turn around is the increase of depth and quality in the squad, which has led to more competition for playing time, which has increased the level of play of the team.
     
  17. Doop

    Doop Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why not? An extra gear (Hoppenot) plus nitrous (Torres) seems like a nice way to drop the hammer on an opponent.
     
  18. Phillyspur

    Phillyspur Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Mar 18, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Someone should tip off Gabe Farfan about the free haircut thing. That's getting shaggy.
     
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  19. UnionBulldog

    UnionBulldog Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Ridley Park
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is really, REALLY hard to take Carroll out of the starting 11. Him and Valdes have been our most consistent players all season, heck you can even go back to last season as well. Once Soumare is fit and ready he should replace Okugo at CB, this will leave Okugo out of the starting 11. I don't disagree with playing him on the as LM but he is currently behind two very good players in Carroll and Gomez. He should definitely be ahead of Lahoud and is also our 3rd CB. Don't really want to see him as a LB as I think Gabe has shown he deserves to play unless we get someone better. I really wish party rock had worked out so we could see the Farfan twins in the midfield together but you can't win on every signing.
     
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  20. celt1997

    celt1997 Moderator
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    Jan 31, 2006
    Philly Burbs
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Porfirio the Younger
     
  21. Dills

    Dills Moderator
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    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Delilah better not come anywhere near it.

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  22. derek750

    derek750 Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. mattylip

    mattylip Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    Jul 22, 2011
    Cherry Hill (127, D)
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True, but I like being able to tell them apart without having to look at the number on the jersey.
     
  24. j ladai

    j ladai Member

    Jan 25, 2010
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    This is exactly how I tell them apart.

    If the hair waves, it's Gabe.
     
  25. MadRHatter

    MadRHatter Member

    May 6, 2012
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    thanks for the feedback!
     

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