Mexico vs USA August 15 @ Azteca

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  1. BimmerBenz95

    BimmerBenz95 Member+

    Feb 24, 2012
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very true most of the violence happens in the Northern part of Mexico, but to each their own if they want to go they should go.
     
  2. BimmerBenz95

    BimmerBenz95 Member+

    Feb 24, 2012
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, it would be safe but there are risks of getting hit with piss bags and batteries right if you have a US jersey on right? :p
     
  3. parismatch

    parismatch Member

    Jun 22, 2007
    Mexico City
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Of course! But you should consider that part of the "Azteca experience", it's what you pay for. ;)

    No, seriously, I doubt you'd get that in a friendly. Some immature teenagers showing you the finger as you approach your seat and probably a number of insults being thrown at you throughout the game, but I think that would be it. I may be wrong, of course.
     
  4. BimmerBenz95

    BimmerBenz95 Member+

    Feb 24, 2012
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cool man its nice to see a friendly Mexican fan up in here. Hey I want to ask you something you know that Dutch guy with Chivas is he the new coach or what? I saw some news about him a few weeks ago but didn't really pay attention.
     
  5. Chiquitibum

    Chiquitibum Member+

    Apr 4, 2004
    Norte
    Club:
    Pumas UNAM
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Cruyff, that dutch guy, is an advisor at Chivas.
     
  6. parismatch

    parismatch Member

    Jun 22, 2007
    Mexico City
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Yeah, Cruyff is providing advice and John van't Schip is the new coach. If you ask me, I think Chivas should have kept el Guero Real as coach and just bring a few reinforcements. The team was playing great under that guy, but this is the way Vergara likes to spend his money.

    On topic: In his blog, Sutcliffe says that this game is a great idea given that the US and Mexico will not be playing any WCQ games against each other in this cycle. I thought they were supposed to play against each other in the fourth round (aka "The Hex"), did I miss something?
     
  7. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unless he means this round (CONCACAF Semis) or he thinks the USA is in store for some very nasty surprises over our next four games, then he's wrong. Everyone heads to the Hex after this round. The "get Caribbean teams more big money games against USA and Mexico" qualifying plan bit the dust.
     
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  8. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No he just doesn't know what he's on about.
     
  9. dban

    dban Member

    May 20, 2003
    PhillyBurbs - Delawareside
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "N" word is off limits here [insert nasty word for mexican who would use the N word in this forum]
     
  10. VincentVega

    VincentVega Member

    May 11, 2011
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    My apologies. I know you guys have endured centuries of ridicule and condescension because of the "N" word. Carry on.
     
  11. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, certain teenagers frequently venture in here and we have to endure the ridicule and condescension they cause themselves by the fact that they haven't yet learned how to interact with adults.
     
  12. soccerusa517

    soccerusa517 Member+

    Jun 23, 2009
    Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cruyff? Never heard of him.

    ;)
     
  13. Chiquitibum

    Chiquitibum Member+

    Apr 4, 2004
    Norte
    Club:
    Pumas UNAM
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    bimmerbenz is obviously a newb at sawker.
     
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  14. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure if you didn't get the hint, but this isn't the forum for comments like these.
     
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  15. JohnnyFutbol

    JohnnyFutbol Member+

    Nov 5, 2009
    Haddonfield
    Club:
    Club Tigres de la UANL
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
  16. BimmerBenz95

    BimmerBenz95 Member+

    Feb 24, 2012
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really? I have been a big soccer face since I was 8 years old, don't judge me if you don't know me okay paisa because I don't give a damn about Chivas or the Mexican League.
     
  17. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This may be referring to the fact that CONCACAF and FIFA had an arrangement where CONCACAF changed its World Cup Qualifying to get the USA as host for World Cup 2026.

    Since the US did not get to host that particular event, CONCACAF changed it back, if I remember correctly.
     
  18. Chiquitibum

    Chiquitibum Member+

    Apr 4, 2004
    Norte
    Club:
    Pumas UNAM
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    were not talking about chivas or mexican league we are talking about "that dutch guy"
     
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  19. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Bimmer, Cruyff is a guy that's usually mentioned alongside people like Pele, Maradona, and Beckenbauer, possibly the greatest Dutch player ever, possibly the greatest player of the 1970's. Having played for and been heavily involved subsequently with Barcelona, he had a lot to do with Barcelona's heavy traditional Dutch connection and melding of Dutch and Spanish stylistic philosophy. If you like Barca, you probably like Cruyff.
     
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  20. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
  21. Germerica

    Germerica Member+

    May 2, 2012
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    I'm excited about this game, although I'm not sure why Mexico would agree to it. This is the first friendly Mexico has ever scheduled with the US in the Azteca. It basically gives all our young players the chance for a practice run in the stadium before next year's qualifier. There's plenty of other countries they could have played.
     
  22. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    My guess? Dinero.
     
  23. Germerica

    Germerica Member+

    May 2, 2012
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Well, yeah, of course it's about money. That's what all friendlies on non-FIFA dates are about. But host it in a different city then (Guadalajara, Torreon, etc). Would you invite Mexico up to Columbus, Ohio for a friendly in November?
     
  24. Wessoman

    Wessoman Member+

    Sep 26, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually, this is about more than money for both sides. Remember, this is a Non-FIFA date, so both teams will be fielding squads exclusively from MLS and the Mexican League. (In fact, to be douches, the Mexican clubs can even refuse to release Torres, Gomez, Beasley, etc...But I doubt that will happen.) Basically, this is a test of depth. Our recent games have shown that there are a lot of question marks in our roster and we should look at our domestic talent. Likewise, Mexico have become dependent upon her foreign contingent, and their runs in qualifying matches were far from convincing.

    Considering that both teams will be playing B-Squads, it makes no sense to play the games anywhere else. Azteca will fill up because it's a guaranteed sell, it up the stakes and adds drama, because the repercussions of a Mexico loss are genuinely real. Having the game in Guadalajara or Nashville or Seattle or wherever makes no sense- It will just be B-Team v B-Team, and basically be just another friendly. It will pack butts in the seats, but the drama and stakes will be gone. Both teams want to make the game mean something, because that is the best way to prepare for qualification.

    I predict that Mexico, having qualified for the Olympics, will probably play a mostly Olympic roster plus some local standouts (And I am keen to see Alan Pulido running at Geoff Cameron. Gonna be awesome.) to cover for Euro U-23's. The USA will probably be looking at MLS hopefuls (Feilhaber and Cooper readily come to mind) paired with our Mexican talent. If I had to pick my roster, it would look like this:

    GK: Rimando, Pickens
    DF: Cameron, Castillo, John, Park, Lloyd, Gonzalez, Kitchen, Wenger
    MF: Donovan, Feilhaber, Torres, Zusi, Beckerman, Beasley, Adu, Shea
    FW: Gomez, Cooper, Bruin, Wondolowski

    Basically, this is Landon's last chance- If he can't wake up for this game then he's never going to get up. This is a 22-man camp, and I don't expect everybody to play. In fact, Gonzalez will probably not be match fit, he'd probably just get called into camp for rehab, and some of the newer guys, like Bruin, are getting a look in camp because they have been sharp. I like the idea of a Cooper/Gomez strike team.

    And here is what I think Mexico's roster would look like:

    GK: Corona, Rodriguez
    DF: Marquez, Salcido, Ponce, Jimenez, Torres Nilo, Mier, Ayala, Vidrio
    MF: Molina, Reyna, Herrera, Fabian, Cortes, Zevala, Lugo, Aquino
    FW: DeNegris, Calderon, Peralta, Pulido

    More than likely a potent mix of first-teamers and Olympians. The US midfield is better and the goalkeeping is equal, but in defense and up top I think Mexico seriously outclass us big time*. I think Marco Fabian is seriously underrated and could punk us, and he is the midfield player I worry the most about. Salcido is the weak link in their defense, and I think if Marquez acts like he normally does when he wears the captain's armband against the US, I don't see Mexico keeping a clean sheet in Azteca.

    My match prediction is that the US will lose. But under Klinsi, the US looks spectacularly sharp in one-time games (See USA v Italy). Before Klinsi's overtraining bogs down the US players, we do remarkably well. We looked fantastic against Scotland before fatigue caught up with the squad. Mexico wins 2-1 but I think they will have to work for it. I think for some spells, the Azteca crowd will be pensive and silent.

    *Amazingly, I think Cameron and John together would work wonderfully. But it's our outside backs I am worried about here.
     
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  25. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    Don't know where you're getting that idea. It is indeed a FIFA date.
     
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