FIRE Schellas Hyndman!!!!!

Discussion in 'FC Dallas' started by FCD-FAN, Jun 5, 2008.

  1. cowtown

    cowtown Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 8, 2006
    Plano, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Luna has appeared to regress, it's true, but I also think you can count on one hand the number of times he's gotten significant minutes when we weren't down by 2 or more goals, down a man, or both. If Luna's ruined, maybe we can get a fresh start with Fort Worth's own Jonathan Top.

    The Luna situation plays into exactly the criticism people have had with SH's management of the HG players. I'm still not sure how a college coach can be so blind to the need to develop young talent, or maybe he thinks merely being their coach should suffice.

    AAARGH... GOODWILL FROM... MLS CUP RUN... EVAPORATING... IN FRONT OF... MY EYYYYEEEES!!!!!11!!1!!!

    At the very least, SH needs to wear the butter leather jacket for every minute of every game the rest of the season, starting in Houston. :D
     
  2. theodore

    theodore Member

    Nov 7, 2003
    As far as youngsters, you can't complain about Hedges time, and you have to at least concede that Leyva is getting his minutes. Top is showing some promise and deserves some minutes, but he is not anywhere ready for heavy lifting type of minutes. Moises Hernandez also showed some interesting signs in the Open Cup game. Luna really crapped his pants in the Columbus game. This is sometimes a problem when you force feed minutes for young guys. He cost us two goals in 12 minutes. Not to say that he won't recover, but that at least put him under Top on the depth chart. It is still quite a stretch from reserve to MLS starter. But, to expect any of these youngsters to be a season savior is most unfair to everyone and especially these young guys. Easy does it, until they prove they are ready. It isn't as though they are owning the starters in practice or tearing it up in limited minutes, (Hedges excluded).
     
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  3. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Theodore - I wouldn't have a problem if the players in front are much better but are Sealy and Marcelin so much better that the home growns? Look at it this way. The home growns were a big opportunity to reach into the local Hispanic market by grabbing their kids. Keep doing this and maybe the local team starts drawing attention away from their clubs back home. However if none of them ever make it to starter and then star status the kids will go elsewhere and a big opportunity is lost. Just look at DC and NYRB to see how home growns can help the the team. I thought FCD was right there with them but either they were never very good, very very raw or just window dressing. If Oscar had moved into the coaching role here would they be playing more?
     
  4. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would put it this way: At this point, the homegrowns' ceilings may be higher than Sealy's or Marcelin's, but their floors are also lower, too. In other words, Sealy or Marcelin may not wow you, but at this point in their careers, they're also less likely to make screwups that cost you goals.

    Look at a young player that's gotten lot of playing time (even if he isn't a homegrown): Carlos Rodriguez. He's shown some promise, but he's made a couple of really bad gaffes that have led directly to opposing goals and cost us points.

    And while it's easy for us to say "Yeah, SH should have patience with the homegrowns," we're also going to be the first ones to be calling for his head when things go south. Just look at this forum over the past two months. And beyond that, HSG might have a little more patience with SH than other ownership groups would have, but they're still paying him to win games first and foremost. And given that SH would likely prefer to continue getting paid while coaching first-division soccer to getting paid while not coaching first-division soccer, he'll probably continue to be a bit more risk-averse when it comes to the homegrowns.
     
  5. jamezyjamez

    jamezyjamez Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I understand the conundrum for SH. Still, we are at a point in the season where we should probably become a bit less risk-averse. Whether it means playing HG's to be more of an attacking side, then so be it.

    Still, I think a fair (and perhaps better) criticism is regarding the use of HG's last season during our multiple competitions where the starting XI were so burned out that a fresh HG would've been a better choice in many regards - more experience for them, fresher players, less wear/tear on the starters...all putting us in a better position going into this season.
     
  6. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He isn't a outside back. He's to casual there. At outside mid he's been fine but lots of mistakes at outside back.
     
  7. ivannomad

    ivannomad Member

    Aug 7, 2007
    Tyler, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    It's gone......

    Antidotal: I'm working at a soccer camp and during check in today I was speaking to a father and he told me how this was the first year in the last 5 years his family didn't get season tickets to fcd. The main reason was he though SH wasted a good team and he didn't want to sit through the losses. Quoth the dad, "Shellas ain't doin' this team any favors"
     
  8. bbbay

    bbbay New Member

    May 27, 2008
    Now back to the topic. Why should we get rid of SH? Well I think the biggest issue we've had this season is lack of depth on the bench. It's very unfortunate that we have key players out but from coaching perspective if you don't plan for injuries than your foolish. This falls on SH. He put all his eggs in one basket and it didn't pan out. Some argue that the officiating has been the issue and although it's not good enough for U-10 I think if we go back and look at every game that FC Dallas has played you could probably find as many poor calls as you could have found calls that were missed that we benefited from. Every team in the league at some point during the season believes the officials have wronged them. We have to look at the players he has brought in, training and tactics/formation. He hasn't done a good enough job in recruiting talent. He sticks to his system which to some extent I believe you need to but at some point you need to pick up points. If you need to play a different formation than you do it. He's got the blinders on and don't blame him as his job seems safe. I imagine that we can probably make the playoffs still although getting harder by the loss. if he can turn it around then he should be given the credit since his bench is awful on a good day. If he can't well other coaches have been let go for much less. The team plays with no confidence and this is a direct reflection of SH. If we can get some the injured players back that woulD help. It doesn't change the fact that he has to find a way to inspire the players he brought in to play to the level they need to perform and pick up points. This is not a pub league this is the pros and if you can't put butts in seats and win games then you can go. Not certain why SH is beyond critique. If we are going to not allow other coaches live off their past performance than why SH? Is his brand of soccer that exciting? It's ok if we suck this season because we did well a few seasons ago and maybe next year we will be awesome?!?!€£%#|
     
  9. inferno man

    inferno man Member

    Nov 26, 1999
    Texas
    We have 7 starters out, then we are using 7 players off the bench. We are basically using a 2nd team. The players on the bench are then the 3rd team. Our 2nd team has been very competitive and only losing by one goal. when we subsitute we are basically using the 3rd team players, yet we remain competitive. Therefore, I don't fully agree that we don't have any depth.

    Also, keeping in mind that our 2nd teamers are NOT getting any breaks this year on several BIG calls.

    I do agree with many in that we would have exceptional depth if SH had not GIVEN a lot of good players way.
     
  10. Sportsfan783

    Sportsfan783 Member

    FC Dallas
    Oct 8, 2010
    Midland, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To me the biggest problem with Schellas has been roster management. The odds are certainly stacked agaisnt him when so many starters are out. I can look over the unfortunate outcomes as a result of those absenses. However, not playing younger players in favor of players who have increasingly become a liability due to mental decisions and to some extent physical inability is probably what deserves the most criticism. Playing younger players may not help right now, but not playing younger players certainly isn't going to help this team down the road. Instead it will be 2014 and we will be wondering why our home growns have been in the league for 3-4 years and still lack the skill to make the 1st team roster.

    3rd sub, Marcelin for Sealy in the 87th minute down 2-1 on the road. That about sums up the frustration behind this post.
     
  11. theodore

    theodore Member

    Nov 7, 2003
    The initial premiss that many had was SH's match management decisions. I then asked about a suggested lineup that SH was overlooking to secure us wins with the available personnel. Didn't get squat feedback.

    Some then criticized our player acquisition, for SH's failure to accurately forecast injuries. So let me ask, which players still in one piece on this roster can we know with certainty are going to get injured in the next couple of games..... and how should we be preparing for these "certainties"?

    Now, we are getting some criticism about young guys not getting PT. We are starting a homegrown, and a rookie. I'm not sure if Castillo can legally buy beer yet. Specifically what should have the objective been in Houston? What should the roster and substitutions been? No, not what they shouldn't have been, but what SHOULD they have been to guarantee the objective?

    I still have a perfectly good pitchfork and torch set in the attic if warranted. However, until we have some very obvious and reasonable answers can be provided to the above questions and/or the team quits on the coach.... then I think that the venting might be therapeutic, but not reasonable. The team is playing hard, and above their ability level given the available roster. I still support them and the coach despite the difficult place they find themselves. This is far from a Bert vn Marwijk situation.
     
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  12. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you are over doing it Theo. I don't think SH has been horrible due to injuries and suspensions. I do think he could do much more to pick spots for younger players. This game Marcelin and Sealy got minutes that could have gone towards home grown players. Neither Sealy or Marcelin helps win now and homegrowns might be an improvement or at the very least be improving to where they might help. At least SH would get a look in a real game at where they are. FCD has a home grown D-Mid that has gotten good pub but basically zero minutes. I think a lot of the criticism is about the home growns. FCD is wasting a huge opportunity that could dry up if the word gets out that SH won't play the local kids.

    I will flip the question to you. FCD hasn't won in 10 games now. Have the players SH has been picking helped them win now?
     
  13. VivaIslamico

    VivaIslamico Member

    Nov 1, 2000
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Theodore's last post

    That's the most insightful post I've read around here in some time. I certainly have some of those reactions myself. But once I settle down I realize that I don't think there are huge coaching mistakes being made. I have disagreements. For example I am inclined to bench Hernandez. He's been downright painful to watch for a long time now. But given that the alternatives at present are guys like Guarda, maybe Marcelin, I'm not really willing to plant my flag on that idea.

    I do understand the "what do we have to lose" mentality. But like Theo said, it's hard to argue that youth isn't getting served when you have the likes of Hedges, Leyva, and Castillo all starting.
     
  14. Sportsfan783

    Sportsfan783 Member

    FC Dallas
    Oct 8, 2010
    Midland, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah that's pretty much how I am thinking. I am not calling for SH's head by any means. I am just criticizing that aspect of his coaching. But even beyond comparing Sealy and Marcelin to the HGs abilities, I am also looking at how long they will be on the team compared to the HGs. In my opinion it looks like Sealy/Marcelin are Hall/Santos 2.0. They are only temporary patches while the HGs are not.
     
  15. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We just don't have enough good players. Pep Guardiola could not coach this team to a win and SH would look like a genius coaching Barcelona.

    The blame lies in not having enough talent on the roster - injuries be damned.
     
  16. bbbay

    bbbay New Member

    May 27, 2008
    I don't think SH tactics has been terrible either but seriously don't think that there is any true competition in the second team to even think about starting. That tells me that they are just not good enough. Which leads to a very shallow bench. We have let players go and replaced them with lesser players. Now we are stuck. I'm sure on paperit made sense to somebody but you have to wonder what was going on. SH hasn't done a good enough job building a roster that can go the distance. Our last 10 games and no wins. This would get mny coaches axed. We currently have players starting that aren't good enough to be playing. This comes down to the players we have chosen to represent FC Dallas. Certainly not stating that the task isnt difficult but you just have to do better. should it be difficult to choose who will step in? You have to know that going into the season why you are buying players. Where do they fit in the grand scheme of things. It's hard to believe that we have as many starters down as we do but that's the game. SH doesn't have a good answer and looking at his bench I know why.i honestly don't know who you would play eitherbut isn't that an issue.the guys going in are working hard but so do washing machines. Your a pro so work ethic shouldn't be an issue.
     
  17. matthewe08

    matthewe08 Member

    Mar 19, 2007
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who could come in and do more with the current situation?
     
  18. ArsenalTexan3

    ArsenalTexan3 Member

    Arsenal
    Sep 24, 2002
    Jakarta
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    A team of egos that can attack, but not defend?


    At what point though do you say the season is lost and give the home grown talent the games they need?
     
  19. bbbay

    bbbay New Member

    May 27, 2008
    I don't know if anyone could do better but remember these are his players. He built a team then changed and now were stuck. SH is responsible for the players that are on the roster. I suppose since nobody else could do a better job with the current situation then we keep the Dallas version of the "special one"
     
  20. theodore

    theodore Member

    Nov 7, 2003
    The most recent non-sub in question seemed to be the Marceline sub for Top. I would be more in agreement, had Benitez not provided the opponent with the customary one man advantage Mulligan. I don't put the kid in with his characteristics in a game like that one either. Jackson was showing signs of pulling out a miracle for us. What we needed, was oxygen in the midfield to cover for the man disadvantage in the heat. Unless Top was a box to box runner, (he isn't), this was not the game to expose him with his pants pulled down. There is a time and a place. This was not the moment. Let's say that you have 11 on the field, and you have coverage behind Top..... then yes I would agree.

    We have tons of youth on this team. If we make the transition to rebuild for next year, then sneaking in for minutes for the other academy guys is a priority. However, it needs to be the right situation or you can crush a player's confidence as well as his team's confidence in him. We saw a ton of FCD kids play in the US Open Cup, and people were b!tching about how we were not taking the game seriously. I don't know what someone could do that would please everyone. And, I don't think that pleasing the second guessers is something we even want from a coach.
     
  21. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would disagree with them on this. Especially last year with the CONCACAF games the Open Cup was the perfect time to get minutes for backups.

    This season may be one to just shrug and move on. The combination of numerous injuries to the best players mixed with refs whose calls swing wildly from week to week (mostly to the detriment of FCD) and plain bad luck (a clearance that rebounds off a shin into the goal from distance?) makes every move and lineup a crapshoot. Since luck has ups and downs I'm counting on the reverse next year. No or very few injuries. Other teams go down a man on calls that a week later our team gets only a warning or yellow. And sublime luck where every close shot doesn't hit the crossbar, post or goalies shoelace while every deflection goes in and clearances hit off our guys and go in.
     
  22. Sportsfan783

    Sportsfan783 Member

    FC Dallas
    Oct 8, 2010
    Midland, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. oman

    oman Member

    Jan 7, 2000
    South of Frisconsin
    I think I am in the minority but I would unequivocally take a few more loses (instead of ties) if I got to see the younger players instead of Sealy or Marcelin. I am just more interested in seeing 1 out of 3 guys develop than I am of seeing journeymen. Given the lack of relegation/relative disinterest in a championship that I have, I want to see something interesting on the pitch.
     
  24. cowtown

    cowtown Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 8, 2006
    Plano, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For this season, I agree. Playoffs are done. USOC is done. Let's loosen up (except for "emotional intelligence"), get the HG's some low-stress minutes, ease DF10 back in as gently as is necessary for his mental well-being, and bench everybody who won't be playing for us (DH, hopefully Jair, maybe even GJ after the Euro window closes) next year or is fungible goods (Marcelin, Sealy).

    It's time to Kansas City Royals this mofo.
     
  25. ttujosh

    ttujosh Member

    Mar 9, 2003
    Dallas, Tx
    Well who built the roster that has Sealy and Marcelin as the best backup options though? You can say that they thought Warshaw would be the backup DM, but to me he isn't noticeably better than Marcelin. The team sucking isn't just one thing, it's lots of them. Some out of his control, like all the injuries, but several very much in his control. Thinking a midfield of Jacobson and Hernandez could compete game in and out being at the top of the list for me. AJ is a decent role player, not a starter. Teams run off what their midfield does, and this team gets run over there by every stinking team in the league. Adding Ferriera in wouldn't have changed this, he just may have been able to get a tie instead of a loss here and there.
     

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