Portugal vs Denmark June 13th

Discussion in 'Portugal: National Teams' started by Tremocos, Jun 10, 2012.

  1. jec1

    jec1 Member

    Sporting Clube de Portugal
    Portugal
    Aug 27, 2004
    Los Angeles ATM
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I think we do. Quaresma, Lopes, Varela, Nelo, Viana... all could contribute.
     
  2. jec1

    jec1 Member

    Sporting Clube de Portugal
    Portugal
    Aug 27, 2004
    Los Angeles ATM
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    PortuGOAL player ratings are so dumb. Meirles was absolutely awful, terrible. And Pepe/Coentrao were the best players on the field. As far as Patricio, he is young but hasn't faced that much adversity.
     
  3. PortoDragons

    PortoDragons Member

    Feb 17, 2010
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Varela & Nelo have been huge contributors. Custodio & Rolando are good late options off the bench when leading by a goal. Lopes, it wouldn't be the end of the world if he had to start over JP due to cards, but I prefer JP. Viana, we probably won't see him at all. Surprised we haven't seen Almeida or Micael though. I'm not disappointed about that either though!


    Quaresma is horrible.
     
  4. Aveirenses

    Aveirenses Member

    Mar 3, 2004
    Guardiolunya
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Que grande orgulho. Que grande guerreiros verdadeiros. E melhor do que isso e ouvir as palavras dos jogadores que ja no apito final estavam a falar do proximo jogo. Força Portugal ate ser campeao!
     
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  5. PortoDragons

    PortoDragons Member

    Feb 17, 2010
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Meireles was bad in offensive efforts, but he tracks back to defend and does a heck of a job. Viana is FAR too offensive and doesn't care to track back.. We can't afford that, because our wingers aren't know for their tracking abilities. Moutinho & Meireles work so well together because they pick up the defending where Ronaldo & Nani do not.

    Viana does not fit the system, and should never start over Meireles. At MOST, he can be the 3rd offensive option off the bench after Nelo & Varela.

    If the game is tied and we need a replacement for Meireles (nor offensive or defensive), I guarantee you Bento would turn to Micael over Viana.
     
  6. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ronaldo is definitely in his own head. He brought up Messi in press conference after game without getting facts straight. Just leave Messi alone and concentrate on task at hand!!
     
  7. Laaura

    Laaura Member+

    Apr 2, 2009
    Manchester
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    To be honest it does get annoying after a while. EVERYWHERE he goes he has to put up with those chants and to be fair...many of the greatest player (ie Zidane) didn`t play well until later on in the competition(s).

    That said I would be raging mad...particularly at him had we lost the game. But we didn`t so I`ll let it go.
    We`ll see how he plays Sunday.
     
  8. Joelzinho

    Joelzinho Member

    May 23, 2005
    Montreal!
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Based on his past, he has a pretty solid record of picking up his play after controversy....we will see how it works.
     
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  9. Tremocos

    Tremocos Member

    Oct 15, 2009
    Mississauga, Ontario
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    i wont even begin to try and break down the tie breakers, because everywhere i turn it confuses me more. Bottom line, Portugal doesnt even control there own destiny, and every result could either get them advanced or eliminated..crazy!

    Having said that, i really wouldn't want to advance to QF's with anything other than a victory or draw against Holland (it just wouldn't seem right to actually advance losing to Holland)

    Safe to say though, last thing Portugal needs is Denmark to get a win against Germany.
     
  10. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sure it does get annoying but only because he feeds into it. There's no need to discuss Messi during the Euros. It's obviously on his mind and it shouldn't be. What should be? Wining and scoring, yes, in that order
     
  11. Laaura

    Laaura Member+

    Apr 2, 2009
    Manchester
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Someone posted this earlier. Makes things a lot easier.

    http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/em/startseite/europameisterschaft/2012/1/tabellenrechner.html
     
  12. jec1

    jec1 Member

    Sporting Clube de Portugal
    Portugal
    Aug 27, 2004
    Los Angeles ATM
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Group B is the most interesting group. So many scenarios can happen. And Germany will play to win, they could be eliminated as well.
     
  13. Tremocos

    Tremocos Member

    Oct 15, 2009
    Mississauga, Ontario
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I have no idea where Ronaldo's head must be at. He already deals with immense pressure, and these past few games (including Real Madrid) have been very out of norm.

    Misses PK in Champions League against Bayern, then PK miss against Turkey in last friendly, and now today!?

    Those two chances today are 95% gimmies for Ronny on a normal day. I was blown away with the efforts. A simlple lift of the ball over the keeper on the first chance, and 9 out of 10 times he goes around goalie on the second chance, or just easily slots it home. To miss that net completely (and by a good margin at that) is mind boggling ...

    You know this performance will be talked about all the way up to game time against Holland (rightfully so, or not). How Ronaldo comes back from this will unfortunately be a pretty defining moment in his NT career.
     
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  14. Chess_Panther

    Chess_Panther Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Porto, Portugal
    Hmm...he doesn't look bummed.

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. dipluso

    dipluso Member+

    Jul 19, 2005
    CT
    YES!
     
  16. BatatasFritas

    BatatasFritas Member+

    Nov 29, 2004
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Ronaldo was a donkey in the press conference and fell right into the press' trap about the messi chants. He should of just said he didn't hear anything and brush off any other messi questions.
     
  17. Area 51

    Area 51 Member+

    Sep 5, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I saw that as well, you just know the fact that if he has a poor Euro 2012 meaning Messi might win the Golden Ball over him is running through Ronaldo's mind right now.
     
  18. dipluso

    dipluso Member+

    Jul 19, 2005
    CT
    Glad to see that! Source? What are they holding? Is that a giant beer stein?!
     
  19. dipluso

    dipluso Member+

    Jul 19, 2005
    CT
    Well, the good news is that between Messi's hat-trick against Brasil and Ronaldo's game today - he can forget about the Golden Ball. Today was an embarrassment. Let's hope he responds like he has in the past after bad games...
     
  20. palynka

    palynka Member

    Jun 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    So if Portugal win, we can only be kicked out if Germany lose by one goal, but scores at least 2 goals (e.g. 3-2, 4-3, etc.)? Is there another scenario?

    Edit - And if it's 4-3 in the other game, we are out regardless of what we do. If it's 3-2 and we win 1-0 or 2-1 we are still out.
     
  21. dipluso

    dipluso Member+

    Jul 19, 2005
    CT
    Just a couple of points:
    1) Defensively our midfield played well again. Veloso stuck to his man and Denmark never threatened through the center. His distribution was good again too.
    Meireles and Moutinho did fine defensively too but Meireles' passing seems to be in Liverpool still. Meireles is killing our counters...
    2) Bento shares the blame for the 2nd half defensive debacle. Coentrao was exposed time and again b/c Ronaldo was not tracking back (ironically he did track back when we were up 2-0...). We only solidified that flank when Nelo (of all people?!) went to play left-mid but by then we had blown the 2-1 lead. That was a mess and can't happen again against Holland. It was also NOT a problem against Germany - Ronaldo was far more disciplined. This suggests to me some lack of respect by Bento for Denmark ability to break down that flank - a huge gamble (he says as much in an interview)
    Ahhh... Just saved myself some time. Just remembered Zonal Marking - this guy is almost always on the ball and he agrees with my analysis: http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/06...d-rommedahl-means-goals-come-from-that-flank/
    He's right on about the 1st game too.
    He basically suggests Coentrao was our best player - had the most work to do defensively and was a part of all our goals. Other fun facts: Nani had 6 steals while CR... 0. Not exactly surprising. But that is where Bento got it right - protect the more fragile FB (JP) with the better defensive winger. But, Jesus, I hope Coentrao is earning double what everyone else is getting... :)
     
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  22. patCOSTA

    patCOSTA Member

    Mar 30, 2005
    Portugal should have won this 3 - 0, or 4 - 2... 2 goals would have been so much better. This group is a mess regardless, 2 very good teams will be out before they should. Group 1 is a joke, I still can't get over that lol. Yet, I work again on Sunday, so I'll miss that game and think positive like I did today at work. I really thought they would have won 3 - 1 or 3 - 2. That defense is so fragile without Cavalho, it makes me mad! Weither they win or lose, at least they made it interesting. To think a team can advanced with 2 loses and 1 win is crazy. I don't think I've ever seen that, not since I've been watching tournaments. Holland shouldn't make it though, they lost badly to teams Portugal dead well againts.
    Go Portugal!
     
  23. BatatasFritas

    BatatasFritas Member+

    Nov 29, 2004
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Yup, Bento should of taken out Ronaldo for another player to help out on defense. Nani was always helping out JP.

    Also, nelo offers a lot more than just a big lumpy striker, the guy is quick and could even be used as a makeshift winger.
     
  24. Tremocos

    Tremocos Member

    Oct 15, 2009
    Mississauga, Ontario
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    one more comment about Ronaldo:

    It drives me nuts that his contributions somehow have to define Portugal as a National Team.
    Ronaldo seems large than life, and he always ends up being the story! If he wasn't such a goal scoring machine, and was more a Luis Figo type winger, this kind of press would almost certainly never occur.

    Ronaldo is a victim of his own enormous success, as unfortunate as that is. It actually sounds stupid to even say, or suggest such a thing, and its a huge shame.

    Its impossible to get through people's heads that Ronaldo is not even an actual direct striker, or supposed to be scoring at such a ridiculous pace.

    He is just so damn elite, that pundits expect him to be the sole source of every damn goal at club level, and especially on the world stage for his country. If goals dont come every game, or in bunches, its immediately presumed he's struggling and not a legitimate contributor.

    Unfortunately he'll never shed this, but just food for thought..
     
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  25. BatatasFritas

    BatatasFritas Member+

    Nov 29, 2004
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Holland is in shambles. Robbed went nuts van der vast is upset and they lost confidence in their coach. Knowing Portugal though, it will be another cardiac arrest type game. My hear still hurts and I lost my voice on that varela goal.
     

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